43 Two-Story Presidential Busts? The Ruins of President's Park

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Today we embark on a presidential pilgrimage unlike any other, a journey

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to the enigmatic and awe inspiring ruins of President's Park here in Virginia.

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Imagine this, sunlight filtering through leaves as you stroll through rolling

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fields and suddenly you come face to face with a 20 foot bust of George

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Washington or Abraham Lincoln and 41 other American leaders who came before them.

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It's an experience that's both humbling and unforgettable.

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But these aren't your typical, pristine presidential statues.

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Weathered and decaying, they stand as remnants of an ambitious dream

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that never quite materialized.

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Get ready to ponder the legacies of our past presidents, marvel at the power of

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nature, reclaiming man's creations, and maybe even unearth some unknown secrets

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you can use with you on your next journey to Maybe South Dakota of all places.

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So whether you're a history buff, a fan of the unusual, or simply looking

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for a virtual adventure this episode is for you, grab your headphones, buckle

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up, and let's embark on a journey to the ruins of president's park.

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So Jen, this was a lot more fun than I expected it to be.

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So tell us what we're talking about today.

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So if you ever wonder what happens to old theme parks when they close, think

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of like old Scooby Doo episodes and stuff.

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So this was an established theme park outside of Colonial

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Williamsburg, and it opened in 2004.

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And it was busts of the first 43 presidents.

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Now there's only 42 busts because Grover Cleveland served

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twice with someone in between

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that's right.

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So I got my little intro.

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My intro was off

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And I didn't know that either until I read it a couple of times like

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42 busts, but there's 43 presidents.

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And they say, cause Grover Cleveland had a break.

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He's 40, he's 25 and 27 or something like that.

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He's in, he has.

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He's served twice with a president between him.

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So it's these 18 feet to 20 feet busts of these presidents and they are really

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grand and very intricate and detailed.

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It's just amazing to see them.

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So this park.

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opened in 2004.

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It was originally called just President's

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It was called President's Park.

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And it was like, if you go to Colonial Williamsburg, it's very much a tourist

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destination with the Historic Triangle.

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We've done a lot of episodes, Jamestown, Yorktown, Colonial Williamsburg.

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This is something else for people to do.

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So basically, if you bring your family for a week to Colonial Williamsburg.

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How are you filling the days, right?

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Like you're taking them to New York town one day, you're taking them to

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Jamestown one day, you're spending a day in Colonial Williamsburg, and

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you're like, okay, what can I do?

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Oh, I'll take you to President's Park.

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So it was like a walk, it was outdoor.

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And it was a kind of a walk with these bus with three plaques in front of them.

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And the plaques would give you Just details of their lives, of

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their presidencies, and then a bunch of like fun facts, trivia

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Yeah.

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And we actually, uh, funny enough, cause if you're listening to this,

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we have a full video, so I highly encourage anybody listening to go watch

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the video because you can really get a good feel for how big these busts are

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and like you said, how grand they are, but a friend of ours, Chris from over

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his, another history, YouTube creator at, at WhitDocs he commented on the

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video and he's I actually went there.

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In, I think it was 2005, and he says, I've got pictures somewhere, they may

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be lost to time, but he actually went there and paid and walked through

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the park and did all the stuff.

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Yeah.

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And if you have gone and have pictures, the gentlemen who

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run it now want those pictures.

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So if you, there's a website, the president's heads that are run

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by the two men who now run these.

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weekend visits, and they're looking for original pictures so they can

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show those to people who come and visit what the park originally looked

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Oh, cool.

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So, like I said, it was outdoor.

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It was like a walk around.

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We walked around and they were in order from other presidencies.

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And then there was some it.

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Exhibits inside and they said they had the first lady's dresses and things

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like that things you can see today at the smithsonian But unfortunately

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the museum went bankrupt in 2010.

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So basically it only was around for six years and they auctioned off the land

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and The bus was supposed to basically be Recycled destroyed they're made

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of metal So there's metal inside of a metal framing which you could recycle

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that and then there's cement on over the metal with plaster over the cement.

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And the gentleman who was supposed to recycle them is the gentleman who actually

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took them and put them on his property.

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I think he, he either purchased them or worked out a deal, adjusted it.

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They had, he had been hired to recycle and, and get, get them off the land.

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And then instead he was like, well, hey, let me work something

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out so I can take these and.

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Do something else with them.

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Yeah, he figured maybe I can open another park.

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Now they were originally created this Everett Newman, the second was a local

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entrepreneur in Colonial Williamsburg.

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It was his idea to make this original president's park.

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And then he hired sculptor David addicts to sculpt these sculptures.

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And he really used a, if you can think of a Mount Rushmore as his inspiration.

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mean, and, and you, you can, this is a pretty easy Google search.

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Mm-Hmm.

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, right.

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Or look in our show notes for some links.

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But it, it looks very much like that.

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The, the models, the busts.

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It's the very, very much the same style.

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I mean, if you look at George Washington in our video.

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It looks like the George Washington sitting up there on Mount Rushmore.

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Yeah, they're very, I'd say favorably done to depict the presidents.

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And so they're 18 to 20 feet because I think some presidents

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are taller and shorter than others.

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So he wanted to play a little bit with scale, but not.

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too much.

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And he made three actually of each president.

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So one was for Colonial Williamsburg.

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They did do the same idea outside of Deadwood, South Dakota.

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Same premise.

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When you go visit Mount Rushmore, usually go for a week.

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And there's only so many things you can do while you're there.

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You see Mount Rushmore, you'll see crazy horrors and you're

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like, how can we fill the rest of

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And, and that would be very much in, in theme with being there

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at Mount Rushmore, Crazy Horse, because of busts and presidents

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and all that kind of history

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Yes.

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You go to Deadwood for a day.

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And then this park, kind of like President's Park, was around Deadwood

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and, but the same thing happened.

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It couldn't be financially sound.

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I think it was actually in Lead, which is right outside of Deadwood.

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Remember Lead is the mining

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Oh yeah,

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And so it couldn't be financially sound and they closed as well.

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Now what I read what happened to their busts is a lot of RV parks.

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In the area, South Dakota, North, North Dakota, even Montana.

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If their name for the president, like there was a Teddy Roosevelt Park, there's

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a Lincoln Park, they took the busts.

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that's cool.

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So you can still find them today in

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You could, you could drive into Lincoln RV park and there's Lincoln

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sitting out front, 20 foot bust.

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And then the other set is in Texas because that's where the sculptor is from.

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So he built one set there.

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So I have people have commented online that they've seen them in Texas.

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And I, I just assume that he has them maybe on his private

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land where people can visit.

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Yeah, and one of the fun things about doing this video, I was like a

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kid in a candy store when I, there with my camera because it was just so unique

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with all of us, the average person is, hovers around just below or just

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above six feet, six feet tall, right?

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And all of us are walking around and it's families and it's kids and these

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busts, how they're grouped together, actually grouped very close together.

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And so what happens in this field, it's on private property.

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It's not a public park.

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They only open it, I think eight times a year,

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you have to buy your tickets beforehand.

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Again, visit presidentsheads.

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com.

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They sell them on Eventbrite and they basically do it for a whole

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Yeah, they give you like a two hour slot.

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So you show up, you gather your two hour slot, they give you the intro and

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then they give you a fair warning and be like, Hey, typically, If it rains,

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it doesn't really dry out because these busts are tall and it doesn't let the sun

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in and so it's very, very muddy and so fortunately, they've actually purchased a

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bunch of boots, kind of rain style boots.

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You can take your shoes off, put boots on.

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And our kids love that.

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That was like their favorite part, was just walking around, traipsing around in

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this big, thick mud in these rain boots.

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And we kept yelling at them don't get dirty the whole time.

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And then you and I, I think you actually put rain boots on.

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I had my kind of boots that I didn't care if they got dirt.

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Dirty.

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But these, they are amazing to be close and personal with.

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The, the old ones, it was almost a little neater because they're decaying some.

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Because it's a little, it's just a different vibe.

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And I found some old videos from like 2017, so five or six years ago.

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And even Ronald Reagan was one that kind of really stood out to me because

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I guess he got struck by lightning just less than a year ago from when we went.

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He got struck by lightning in 2023.

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And so you could see nowadays his face has decayed quite, quite a bit.

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But the 2017 video that I Borrowed some of their footage and credited

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them and I wanted to show the contrast from just a few years ago to today I

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mean he looks fairly pristine and very white and and nowadays are decaying

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and you know You can see inside of some of them and who's the president

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that had his kind of jaw fall off

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So Chester Arthur, who's the president after Garfield, after Garfield's

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assassinated, he's the 21st president.

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He has what they call mutton chops, which is where you can

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grow the hair down the sides.

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Not sideburns.

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Like you can think of Elvis having the sideburns.

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These go further down your chin and the mutton chops were long

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and again, very, uh, detailed.

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And because of the weight that the cement had with the plaster on his

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face, it actually broke his face away.

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So if you see, if you're on Instagram, you see me standing by a president

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that looks like he has no face.

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All you can see is the metal framing inside.

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That's Chester Arthur because the mutton chops have.

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broken his face

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And some of the detail on these presidents was really, really

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I love that the most like walking up to Eisenhower and he's in uniform.

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ribbons and you had, you could see his five stars and who was it that,

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uh, I mean, had the horn rim glasses.

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And then Andrew Jackson up front was just, I mean, spectacular.

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Truman had the glasses.

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Andrew Jackson's hair was like blowing in the

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It's blowing in the wind.

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And think about this, like picture this in your mind at 20.

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He was probably a little taller, probably 20 plus 22, 23 feet.

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Full metal frame, cement, and plaster, and it looks like he's standing there

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with his classic kind of hair blowing in the wind, he's wearing, he's in uniform,

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with epaulets.

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epaulets on his shoulders, and those really stand out, just

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looks absolutely spectacular

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Yeah, he blew me away with how incredible again, the

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detail was on these on these bus.

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And then you have George W.

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Bush, who has little Elephants on his tie to represent the Republican Party

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and they're very detailed elephants like they're sculpted out each one.

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we say little I mean little is like they're probably five inches tall

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five six inches tall But compared to the rest of the bus that they pair little

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so it was really neat to see some of these details because they Had details

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it everywhere And it was so much fun for me as a as an amateur videographer to

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just shoot and get all these fun angles.

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And he's just, it was super unique.

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And I, I, I enjoyed it so much more than I expected.

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I would definitely say the reason, so there's two gentlemen who

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privately run it now and they really want to get people out there because

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cause of the rate of deterioration and they're only going to deteriorate more.

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So if you want to see them, they're still very impressive.

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They're still beautiful.

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Uh, this is the time of year to go cause it's not a lot of

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vegetation growing up around them and you can really get in and just.

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look at how amazing just their facial features are like I got to see

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Garfield really up close and personal.

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I got to look at Madison and you see Ford, you see Reagan, you see Kennedy, FDR.

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And what's crazy is they're not in any real order.

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They're like.

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As they took him out of the park and brought him in and just

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set them down and they set them close, I think, for protection.

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But like you said, rain can get in there.

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It's make some of them sink down.

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So there's deeper puddles around them and hard to to slide in between

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them, but you can still do it.

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And it's just super impressive to be there.

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You have two hours.

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It's absolutely more than enough time.

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And then they have three out in front.

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So they have George Washington, number one.

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They have Andrew Jackson, number seven.

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And they have Abraham Lincoln, number 16, right, the three out in front.

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And then everybody else is scattered in these four rows.

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But it's just super cool because you can get some great pictures

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and get some great footage.

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You can walk around and then they give two talks while you're there.

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One is a president trivia.

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So, how much do you know knowledge about President's lives?

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And the other one is more about the history of the park

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and before and now after.

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And you can ask your questions there.

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We always get questions like they only have up to George W.

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Bush.

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That's when.

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They stopped making bus.

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Now they have a prototype of President Obama.

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It's like a little

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Yeah.

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I think the nickname there is baby

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baby Obama because they were going to make a bust from that,

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but they never got around to it.

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And so they have that there so you can see it as well.

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But after Obama, there's no other bust.

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So don't ask this.

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It's always someone's opinion about that.

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But, uh, it, you can bring your dog there and we were able to find, fly the drone.

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Yeah, we asked him, they just said Hey, just watch out for the dogs

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and, just be respectful of people.

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So we got some, some fun drone shots.

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It was just, it was super cool.

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It was just one of those really neat kind of afternoon type things that

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if you live in the Norfolk area, the colonial Williamsburg area, or if

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you're in town I would definitely check out the links in our show notes.

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You can, we'll put the link to the website.

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So if you're in town the right time of year.

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Spring or fall, you can look it up and you can purchase tickets ahead of time.

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But they said they sell out pretty much every year that they've done

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Yeah.

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And we went president's day weekend.

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It was sold out.

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It's family friendly.

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You can bring your children.

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They have restrooms.

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I would only say it is probably not disabled friendly.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's, it's literally like in a field on some like contractor's land.

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So you probably could bring a wheelchair if you didn't

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want to get in between the

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Yeah.

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There's no way you'd be able to, to get in between.

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And again, this is, this is private property.

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So they, they, the two hosts work with the owner and they work that together.

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Well, there you have it, folks.

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Our journey through the ruins of President's Park has come to an end.

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Hopefully you've gained a new appreciation for these unique historical

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relics and the stories they hold.

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Remember, these busts may be weathered and silent now, but they still have a lot

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to teach us about ambition, perseverance, and even the fleeting nature of power.

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Maybe next time you see a presidential portrait or statue, you'll think

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about the real people behind the stone and the legacies they left behind.

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But our exploration doesn't have to end here.

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If you're curious to learn more about the ruins of President's Park, I've

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included some links in the show notes.

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And as always, if you know someone else that might enjoy this

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podcast, please share it with them.

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Especially if you know if somebody's going to be in the

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Williamsburg area sometime soon.

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Shoot them a text and tell them to look us up.

Scott: 00:18:11

We rely on you, our community to grow, and we appreciate you all every day.

Scott: 00:18:15

We'll talk to you next time.

Jenn: 00:18:17

Thank you.