Episode 20
Visiting Yorktown Battlefield and walking in Hamilton's footsteps
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Broadway brought us Hamilton and with it an amazing and entertaining peek into American history. How then could we not be excited to walk in the footsteps of so many famous historical figures at the Yorktown Battlefield?
Jenn talks about the lead-up to one of the most important battles fought in American History, what it was like for her to walk in Hamilton's footsteps...and yes, Scott talks about the pretty sunsets and "getting the shot".
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Speaker:greetings and
Speaker:what type of History Podcast I'm your
Speaker:host Scott here with my wife and
Speaker:historian Jen hello on this podcast we
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Speaker:and share our history walks with you
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Speaker:[Music]
Speaker:now unless you've been living under a
Speaker:rock since 2015 you will likely know
Speaker:some of the songs from the Broadway
Speaker:musical Hamilton I know Jen does
Speaker:but did you know that you don't have to
Speaker:pay a ton of money for a Broadway ticket
Speaker:to see what Hamilton saw
Speaker:or to walk in Hamilton's footsteps so
Speaker:Jen what are we talking about today
Speaker:we're going to talk about the Battle of
Speaker:Yorktown the Battle of Yorktown so why
Speaker:are we talking about the Battle of
Speaker:Yorktown today because we actually
Speaker:visited the battle site in Yorktown
Speaker:Virginia yep so we're going to talk
Speaker:about what that's like to go there and
Speaker:what you can see and some of the
Speaker:similarities between the Hamilton song
Speaker:and what's actually there for you to see
Speaker:yeah so
Speaker:um yeah it's easy for us to get to so
Speaker:where is the Yorktown Battlefield so
Speaker:Yorktown Battlefield is in the city of
Speaker:York it's one of those early colonial
Speaker:cities
Speaker:um it the city was called York first and
Speaker:it was named after York
Speaker:England yeah and and today it's in
Speaker:between like Norfolk and DC yes and it
Speaker:was settled in 1691 so it's one of those
Speaker:Old Colonial towns but it's in that
Speaker:historic triangle that we talked about
Speaker:in the Williamsburg um podcast so
Speaker:there's a neat little triangle of
Speaker:History here in this southern western
Speaker:part Southern eastern part of Virginia
Speaker:with Williamsburg Yorktown and Jamestown
Speaker:all within about 20 miles of each other
Speaker:and they all form like a triangle right
Speaker:yeah we've spent most of our time in one
Speaker:corner of that you know that triangle
Speaker:but
Speaker:um going to Yorktown
Speaker:it was actually more of an experience
Speaker:than I than I realized because it's it
Speaker:covers a lot of land it's really neat
Speaker:and I think people should see it because
Speaker:it does do like a
Speaker:seven mile
Speaker:45 minute
Speaker:kind of Battlefield drive that you can
Speaker:do and you can get the map at the um
Speaker:at the National Park Service yeah
Speaker:Visitor Center but it's free to do the
Speaker:drive and if you get the chart it'll
Speaker:explain everything to you plus there's
Speaker:signs everywhere you stop yeah and you
Speaker:can't really walk in between these sides
Speaker:this is it's absolutely driving you
Speaker:might be able to bike it if you got if
Speaker:you if and if you're bringing family
Speaker:like this would be a bigger kid biking
Speaker:thing but honestly it's most likely it's
Speaker:a driving it's a driving tour and they
Speaker:have like a red route and a yellow route
Speaker:right and the red route is like the
Speaker:British side and the yellow route is the
Speaker:American Revolutionary and then they
Speaker:also have some French
Speaker:so the French were with the Americans
Speaker:okay all right yeah I had to educate
Speaker:Scott as we you do even after I make it
Speaker:even even after I make the video
Speaker:um I just I thought they had some
Speaker:separate French routes too so on the
Speaker:yellow side when you go drive out you'll
Speaker:you'll hit
Speaker:um lafayette's Campground you'll hit
Speaker:rochambeau's Campground then you'll hit
Speaker:George Washington that's yeah that's
Speaker:probably so that's what you remember is
Speaker:they camped separately because they
Speaker:can't they can't put their troops right
Speaker:and George Washington was the furthest
Speaker:out and he's the farthest out because
Speaker:he's the most protected yep right so and
Speaker:so that's where we close the video yeah
Speaker:because I'm so excited to walk in George
Speaker:Washington's footsteps and to be where
Speaker:there's a tent that's in the visitor
Speaker:center that's George Washington's
Speaker:campaign tend and that tenth more than
Speaker:likely was at that spot yeah where we
Speaker:were walking or walking around is that
Speaker:where the surrender or near the
Speaker:discerner battlefield or was that
Speaker:somewhere else no the surrender battle
Speaker:about midway between both of those
Speaker:routes it's not it's
Speaker:interesting it's not specifically on the
Speaker:yellow route it's not specifically on
Speaker:the red route it's kind of where they
Speaker:both converge yeah yeah and that's the
Speaker:surrender field yeah that was that was
Speaker:that to me that was really cool but I
Speaker:think we're kind of jumping ahead so so
Speaker:set the stage for okay for you for the
Speaker:battle here
Speaker:[Music]
Speaker:York the city is on a it's in Eastern
Speaker:Virginia it's on a river it's on York
Speaker:River it's called Yorktown at about the
Speaker:1781 it becomes the epicenter of the
Speaker:Battle of Yorktown so leading up to that
Speaker:it you know the U.S had been at war with
Speaker:England for about six years by the
Speaker:summer of 1781. and then when they you
Speaker:get into Hamilton they're like the
Speaker:Battle of Yorktown 1781 you're like
Speaker:we've been the America's been fighting
Speaker:for six years now
Speaker:um we the first shots are fired in 1775
Speaker:at Congo Lexington and Concord and then
Speaker:you have these hard winters of 1777 1778
Speaker:1779 1780 we did Washington Crossing
Speaker:yeah so these hard Winters that
Speaker:Washington is enduring there's no real
Speaker:they have a few decisive victories but
Speaker:nothing that's really over you know
Speaker:that's winning the battle right
Speaker:so what happens in 1780 is the French
Speaker:send over 5 000 troops and the French
Speaker:are helping America because they're at
Speaker:war with yeah I mean if correct me if my
Speaker:high school history memory is wrong but
Speaker:the French helped us a lot I mean we win
Speaker:because of the friends right and then
Speaker:they're going to have a revolution yeah
Speaker:right after and we're just gonna hang
Speaker:out and we're just gonna watch them kill
Speaker:their monarchy yeah but
Speaker:but so the French come in 1780 and they
Speaker:bring roshambo so Roshan Beau is a
Speaker:general a French General and he's very
Speaker:like like Lafayette he's very
Speaker:um
Speaker:professional good at his job just like
Speaker:Washington so Washington goes to meet
Speaker:him he goes up to Rhode Island to meet
Speaker:him in 1781 and they make this plan and
Speaker:they decide to attack Cornwallis and
Speaker:surprise him George Washington loves
Speaker:this surprise attack right then you
Speaker:think of Washington Crossing he loves
Speaker:this idea of a decisive victory in one
Speaker:location he's he's very single
Speaker:Battlefield focused he's always been
Speaker:that way which is traditional of the of
Speaker:the era and for George Washington if you
Speaker:study George Washington he is a very
Speaker:single battle focused oh really and so
Speaker:he him and um Rochambeau traveled down
Speaker:to Williamsburg in September of 1781 and
Speaker:so that's when I spoke with Lafayette in
Speaker:Williamsburg where did you guys stay
Speaker:yeah on last week's podcast yes so
Speaker:Washington stays at like the with house
Speaker:yeah right and they plan their strategy
Speaker:because like I said they're in close
Speaker:proximity to each other her right and so
Speaker:in September of 17 September 28th
Speaker:actually of 1781 Washington would throw
Speaker:some Rochambeau and Lafayette will
Speaker:travel to York and attack Cornwallis and
Speaker:this takes about three weeks the whole
Speaker:battle is from September 28 1781 and
Speaker:they finally will surrender on October
Speaker:17th yeah and then the whole surrender
Speaker:ceremony happens October 19th
Speaker:of 1781. yeah so
Speaker:this is when right before this happens
Speaker:in the beginning of September the
Speaker:British sent some ships down to try to
Speaker:reinforce York the kind of hearing that
Speaker:these French ships are coming and the
Speaker:French just annihilate them yeah and
Speaker:that's one of their if you go to the
Speaker:visitor center
Speaker:they have a recreation of the HMS Sharon
Speaker:and the kids loved it and you can walk
Speaker:through it yeah that's right that was
Speaker:that was really neat it's really neat so
Speaker:that's a recreation of a British frigate
Speaker:44 gun British frigate that the French
Speaker:sunk right there
Speaker:in the York River yeah it's still there
Speaker:and I think that's the one thing that I
Speaker:remember from my high school about
Speaker:Yorktown and all that stuff like that
Speaker:that and then obviously the battlefield
Speaker:but the French holding them off there
Speaker:yes was like the decisive thing that
Speaker:that kind of turned the tide and and
Speaker:tipped the scales in our favor well
Speaker:that's what happens is the British can't
Speaker:get in to reinforce Cornwallis they go
Speaker:back up to New York and cord Wallace is
Speaker:kind of like okay
Speaker:um I'll give it my best shot but then
Speaker:George Washington is very
Speaker:this is strategic yeah and what he does
Speaker:and we'll talk about it but um
Speaker:Cornwallis just gives up basically so
Speaker:when they get there they start basically
Speaker:Cornwallis is dug in to Yorktown and if
Speaker:you go to Yorktown you will see these
Speaker:Earthworks that that was really yeah
Speaker:they still exist today that was really
Speaker:it was like so again just kind of from
Speaker:from someone who wasn't particularly
Speaker:interested in this right growing up and
Speaker:even in college like again I'm not
Speaker:history is not my my area of particular
Speaker:interest I love doing this with you
Speaker:but when I'm there it was one of those
Speaker:interesting things like I probably never
Speaker:would have gone maybe I would have gone
Speaker:you know by myself but you you bring me
Speaker:out there you bring the kids up we bring
Speaker:the kids out there and being there and
Speaker:like literally walking around the
Speaker:battlefield I love how
Speaker:at the Yorktown Battlefield they they
Speaker:actually don't develop a lot of it they
Speaker:let a lot of it kind of stay open and it
Speaker:really gives you the feel of what it
Speaker:must have looked like and felt like back
Speaker:then it doesn't feel overly developed
Speaker:like some big Park like some you know
Speaker:whether it's the Jamestown Settlement
Speaker:Recreation which we'll talk about
Speaker:another time and it it felt like you
Speaker:walking around like oh my gosh like
Speaker:here's these readouts that they dug or
Speaker:here's these Earthworks that they dug
Speaker:and they dug this notch in this hill
Speaker:here just so the Canaan could shoot over
Speaker:there yeah those trenches the trenches
Speaker:and like that was so cool I mean and for
Speaker:kids they're just running they're having
Speaker:a blast they're running they're running
Speaker:everywhere it that to me was probably
Speaker:the coolest piece of it again I like
Speaker:kind of like the experience
Speaker:it was so cool so they dug in these huge
Speaker:trenches that's what they did the
Speaker:British had reinforced Yorktown dug in
Speaker:these huge trenches is to kind of guard
Speaker:them made these readouts to kind of
Speaker:they're kind of like a readout is kind
Speaker:of like a little
Speaker:um
Speaker:fourth yeah I would say like you know
Speaker:when you put all the earthwork around
Speaker:you and you can have it and they'd have
Speaker:like the sharp the sharp logs that they
Speaker:sharpened sticking out yep the sharp
Speaker:lugs will be all around and the parapets
Speaker:where they can put cannons up on top and
Speaker:what George Washington did with his
Speaker:troops as he gets in and starts digging
Speaker:in close to those yeah so he can get his
Speaker:cannons in so what you see is you'll see
Speaker:The Siege lines you'll see the first
Speaker:Siege line the second Siege line and
Speaker:you'll see the British Siege line and
Speaker:those haven't changed they've grown over
Speaker:with grass now but their earthwork
Speaker:hasn't changed so you can walk on them
Speaker:and walk inside there it was it was so
Speaker:cool because you can walk down and they
Speaker:are probably good if you're down inside
Speaker:of a readout yeah yeah it's probably a
Speaker:good six seven feet yeah if you see the
Speaker:video my opening is from readout nine
Speaker:yeah so I'm standing in the there's two
Speaker:readouts that were instrumental in The
Speaker:Taking of Yorktown nine and ten ten is
Speaker:the one Alexander Hamilton took nine is
Speaker:one as the French took his ten the one
Speaker:he sung about yeah ten or 20 seconds
Speaker:but nine is when you can go in today and
Speaker:stand in because it's more Inland 10 is
Speaker:on the water and it's been slowly
Speaker:um deteriorating yeah but um nine is is
Speaker:more Inland so we were able to stand
Speaker:inside of it and I talked about can you
Speaker:imagine 400 people in here that night
Speaker:and because that's how many people were
Speaker:inside there yeah and it was again to
Speaker:kind of tutor our own horn you know on
Speaker:some of the production value we have
Speaker:like these little wireless mic you know
Speaker:receivers so I actually stood at the top
Speaker:of the readout and you were standing in
Speaker:the bottom and as you walk towards me it
Speaker:helps it helps in the video give you
Speaker:perspective because sometimes it's hard
Speaker:to see from a straight video shot not
Speaker:the perspective of how deep these things
Speaker:are how big they are but when you're
Speaker:walking when I'm beating you you walking
Speaker:through it and the audio is very clear
Speaker:you're talking about it as you're
Speaker:walking towards the camera that was that
Speaker:was a fun thing for me to do just from
Speaker:the production side and they're very so
Speaker:you can park close to them and then walk
Speaker:out to them but they are accessible if
Speaker:you have even a wheelchair I think they
Speaker:would yeah yeah I think a good portion
Speaker:of them are not all of them but that
Speaker:those readouts are really close to the
Speaker:visitor center so like I said if you
Speaker:start at The Visitor Center you'll go in
Speaker:they have a recreation of the ship they
Speaker:also have George Washington's campaign
Speaker:tent
Speaker:it's protected it's you know so for
Speaker:conservative but you can walk inside
Speaker:underneath it in glass and it kind of
Speaker:lets you know how tall George Washington
Speaker:was because that for them they have
Speaker:markers that's right yes by the time
Speaker:he's a tall man he was six six three
Speaker:yeah when the average man around then
Speaker:it's about five nine so he's pretty tall
Speaker:for the time and they all also have
Speaker:Cornwallis campaign table what they
Speaker:believe is Quinn Wallace's campaign
Speaker:table and I talk about why they would
Speaker:say that usually they don't have exact
Speaker:prominence but it's it points to it but
Speaker:that's also protected and you can see
Speaker:that's probably the table he used for
Speaker:his strategy and planning and so those
Speaker:are the three really cool things in the
Speaker:visitor center and then of course you
Speaker:can get your
Speaker:map to start your drive
Speaker:but um you know there's there's about
Speaker:17
Speaker:000
Speaker:troops for the American Revolution you
Speaker:got about nine eight to nine thousand
Speaker:Americans and the French have brought
Speaker:about seven to eight thousand and then
Speaker:Cornwallis has about nine thousand with
Speaker:him he's about seven thousand British
Speaker:and three thousand Germans yeah so
Speaker:remember we talked about this by the the
Speaker:Hessians yeah and so
Speaker:[Music]
Speaker:they start to dig in this starts in
Speaker:September and so the song is about
Speaker:September about October 14th and October
Speaker:14th is when Hamilton and a French
Speaker:officer are given the orders to take
Speaker:these readouts right and the French
Speaker:officers told to take nine which is the
Speaker:Inland one and ten and Hamilton's told
Speaker:to take ten which is on the water now in
Speaker:the play is this where because he's
Speaker:always asking for his own command like
Speaker:he keeps asking for command he wants
Speaker:this is his name is this his chance this
Speaker:is his chance this is his one chance
Speaker:well like talk about like perfect timing
Speaker:you know right here's your chance it's
Speaker:the last battle right obviously they
Speaker:didn't know that they didn't know that
Speaker:but like hey here's your last chance of
Speaker:like Hamilton's like oh it's my one time
Speaker:and he does it and then the battle lens
Speaker:he's like yep yeah I know and honestly
Speaker:so the the whole part is like take the
Speaker:bullet such a gun take the bullet touch
Speaker:again we move into current we move as
Speaker:when George Washington had given the
Speaker:orders to just use your bayonets right
Speaker:to keep it silent to keep it silent he
Speaker:didn't want to tip them off because
Speaker:Cornwallis doesn't think they're that
Speaker:close right he doesn't have any intel to
Speaker:let them know that they're that close
Speaker:and so they take these readouts by
Speaker:surprise and because they take them by
Speaker:surprise there's really very low
Speaker:casualty numbers
Speaker:I think um Hamilton loses eight and the
Speaker:French officer loses 20. but when you're
Speaker:fighting 400 men that's a pretty big
Speaker:deal
Speaker:um
Speaker:for the French side the Jersey so the
Speaker:French attack the Germans that's who's
Speaker:inside their readout And when they see
Speaker:the French coming they fire back a
Speaker:little and then they go okay we give up
Speaker:they're like we don't they're like we're
Speaker:not really invested in this they're
Speaker:really our country yeah so that's why
Speaker:you know it's kind of like Hamilton did
Speaker:it but it's like okay there you go you
Speaker:know but if you go there and we have we
Speaker:have gone there you know for friends for
Speaker:Flat Stanley there's a whole thing that
Speaker:says Alexander Hamilton stood here you
Speaker:can stand where Alexander Hamilton stood
Speaker:and I'm sure that didn't come around
Speaker:until 2050. I know and after the play
Speaker:came out um John Laurens who's also a
Speaker:character in the Hamilton play John
Speaker:Lawrence is with Hamilton when he makes
Speaker:this Siege a readout 10.
Speaker:um so he's also there so that's kind of
Speaker:that that is accurate of the song
Speaker:um and then he talks about you know a
Speaker:young man stands on a parapet waving a
Speaker:white handkerchief that does happen so
Speaker:they take these readouts October 14th
Speaker:they fill them with cannons they start
Speaker:firing onto your Cornwallis just
Speaker:basically holds out as long as he can
Speaker:and on the 17th he surrenders and he
Speaker:does have a drummer and a British
Speaker:officer climb on a pet a pet and wave a
Speaker:white handkerchief just like in the song
Speaker:oh wow and then on the 18th they the day
Speaker:after is when the four officers meet at
Speaker:Morehouse so that's another place you
Speaker:can go remember we went to Morehouse we
Speaker:walk around it
Speaker:and vaguely that's what the negotiation
Speaker:of surrender takes place and that's one
Speaker:of them yes remember one American office
Speaker:it was like an actual house that's an
Speaker:actual house one French officer two
Speaker:British officers and they meet in there
Speaker:and they basically at the time you had
Speaker:to come on terms of surrender what are
Speaker:what are your terms and George
Speaker:Washington you know you can't unfail
Speaker:your colors you can't walk away with
Speaker:your banner flying high you can't walk
Speaker:away with any bullets in your gun yeah I
Speaker:think I think that they had like threw
Speaker:it on their arms yeah you have to do
Speaker:these kind of symbolic things
Speaker:um your highest in command has to give
Speaker:the sword to me well what happens the
Speaker:day of surrender which is October 18th
Speaker:at the surrender field which is awesome
Speaker:yeah it was cool they've got like a
Speaker:whole audio thing that you can like go
Speaker:in there you're looking over yeah it's
Speaker:like you so you walk down from the
Speaker:parking lot it's probably what maybe 100
Speaker:yards maybe right so you walk down this
Speaker:path to this kind of little
Speaker:larger stage gazebo covered thing but
Speaker:then they've got audio playing and so
Speaker:it's telling you and they're playing
Speaker:like the the drums and the trumpets and
Speaker:you know they're so it sounds like
Speaker:you're there and then you're looking
Speaker:over where they surrender yeah like what
Speaker:would you see that day looking out on
Speaker:the field what would you see you will
Speaker:see a line of American officers you will
Speaker:see a line of British officers and then
Speaker:you will see the French having to walk
Speaker:side by side between them yeah and
Speaker:they've got the old kind of beams like
Speaker:the cross beams right that would line
Speaker:kind of almost like fences yes
Speaker:um so Cornwallis that day says he's sick
Speaker:and he doesn't show up yeah I'd be sick
Speaker:too and because of that his second in
Speaker:command presents the sword to George
Speaker:Washington but George Washington won't
Speaker:accept it he makes his second in command
Speaker:take it oh wow so very symbolic this all
Speaker:of this is like you know men of the time
Speaker:being sure it's it's a different era
Speaker:Yeah a different era but it you know
Speaker:it's very neat to be there uh the war
Speaker:will this so this is the decisive battle
Speaker:right there won't be another
Speaker:big battle although the war technically
Speaker:is not over until another two years
Speaker:September 3rd 1783 is when the Treaty of
Speaker:Paris is actually signed yeah
Speaker:at this time British Parliament has
Speaker:backed down Armament so they they
Speaker:basically won't attack anymore and so
Speaker:these two years are basically just
Speaker:little skirmishes but nothing big until
Speaker:the war is over and there was a
Speaker:centennial in 1881
Speaker:and Chester Garfield spoke because he
Speaker:had been president for 30 days because I
Speaker:mean Chester Arthur spoke because he had
Speaker:been president for 30 days because James
Speaker:Garfield had just died oh yeah and then
Speaker:there was a bicentennial in 1981 when
Speaker:Ronald Reagan spoke that's cool yeah
Speaker:yeah and again
Speaker:if you're ever in the area and you're
Speaker:doing the Williams work thing because
Speaker:that's the big draw right I'd say for
Speaker:the area right that's that's uh
Speaker:the the first first one that everybody's
Speaker:going to go to if you get a chance
Speaker:though
Speaker:I go to go to Yorktown Battlefield
Speaker:because one if you kind of just want a
Speaker:day where you can drive do a little bit
Speaker:more driving a little bit less walking
Speaker:right maybe do Williams work first walk
Speaker:around all day get your feet all nice
Speaker:and tired then go drive out to Yorktown
Speaker:and just driving around there was
Speaker:amazing because we ended up going back
Speaker:later
Speaker:and this lighting was just beautiful so
Speaker:we went around Sunset and it was the
Speaker:most Serene and beautiful it was like
Speaker:think of any movie that you've ever seen
Speaker:about you know Revolutionary War era I
Speaker:mean it was just those the purples and
Speaker:reds and oranges and it was like I felt
Speaker:like I was I was in that time it was
Speaker:absolutely amazing and like we said this
Speaker:battlefield has been relatively
Speaker:untouched yeah so you do feel like
Speaker:you're standing in history when you're
Speaker:there it was just that was one of those
Speaker:things
Speaker:you know aside from being in my Colonial
Speaker:Williamsburg and even Colonial
Speaker:Williamsburg you feel like you're there
Speaker:but there's a bunch of other there's
Speaker:people walking around with strollers and
Speaker:stuff like that right here I really felt
Speaker:like I was transported back in time it
Speaker:was just absolutely amazing so as you
Speaker:can tell from today's podcast
Speaker:watching a Broadway musical bring
Speaker:history to life is an amazing experience
Speaker:but what I hope you learned from today's
Speaker:podcast was that being able to walk in
Speaker:the footsteps of those historical Giants
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