Jimmy Stewart in the military: Highest ranking actor of all time

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Okay, so before we start this podcast, I have, I have a

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quiz for you on Jimmy Stewart.

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No looking at your computer, no cheating.

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What was his last film that he appeared in?

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Now, was, I'll say was in,

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cause wasn't he in like an American Tale?

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Ah, I knew I should have known You would get, I should

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have known you would get it.

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Yes.

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He was in his very last

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But he was like in it as a person.

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he's a voiceover.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I mean it is a, it is a animated movie.

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You got it.

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1991 American Tale five Goes West.

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I didn't know that until I was kind of doing the little bits and pieces of

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this, and of course you would know it.

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Dang it.

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Alright.

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Onto the show.

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The year was 1939.

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In Hollywood shimmered with a magic energy, I was a fresh faced

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twenty something, junior executive at MGM, drowning in scripts and

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desperately trying to stay afloat.

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Back then, stars were born, not made.

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Or at least that's what the suits upstairs believed.

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He waltzed into my office one afternoon, a gangly figure with

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a nervous twitch to his lip.

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He wasn't the cocksure Clark Gable type, more all American grin and awkward charm.

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tested for a Western, and I, a lonely nobody, drew the short

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straw of running his session.

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He told me that James always felt too formal and just to call him Jimmy.

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He wasn't bad.

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Nowhere near the charisma of Spencer Tracy, but there was a

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genuine earnestness about him.

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A boyishness that resonated on screen, I wrote a glowing report

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highlighting his potential.

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My boss, a man fueled by cigars and cynicism, scoffed.

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Too skinny.

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Needs some polish.

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Fast forward a year, the Philadelphia story was in pre production.

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Hepburn was a lock.

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Cary Grant at Given.

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But for the reporter role, a debate raged.

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My forgotten report resurfaced.

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Jimmy got the call.

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The buzz around him started subtly.

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A few stolen glances on set.

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Whispers about his chemistry with Hepburn.

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Then came the premiere.

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Dressed in a rumbled suit, Jimmy seemed out of place.

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amidst the towering egos.

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But as the film rolled, the theater erupted.

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His portrayal of the wisecracking reporter, a touch cynical yet

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ultimately decent, stole the show.

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The night of the Oscars arrived, I watched from the bleachers, heart

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pounding for the underdog I'd championed.

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When his name was called, a collective gasp went through the room.

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Jimmy, his face flushed with disbelief, navigated the stage with the same awkward

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charm I'd remembered from his test.

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It gives me enormous pleasure to be able to present this trophy to you, Mr.

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Stewart, for the best acting in the picture for 1940.

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That picture was the Philadelphia story.

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Thank you very much, sir.

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It's a great thrill to me to receive.

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In his acceptance speech, he stumbled a bit, his voice cracking with emotion,

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but instead of diminishing him, it made him more human, more relatable.

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The next morning, the headlines screamed, Jimmy Stewart, America's New Hope.

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Years later, Jimmy became a Hollywood legend, but for me, his greatest

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performance wasn't on screen.

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It was the quiet confidence he exuded that Oscar night, a testament to the power

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of believing in the potential you see in someone, even when nobody else does.

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Welcome to Talk With History.

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I'm your host, Scott, here with my wife and historian, Jen.

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Hello.

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On this podcast, we give you insights to our history inspired

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world travels, YouTube channel journey, and examine history

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through deeper conversations with the curious, the explorers, and

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the history lovers out there.

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Jim, we're just gonna jump right into it.

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You are a massive Jimmy Stewart fan.

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Your favorite movie of all time is It's a Wonderful Life.

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You watch it every year.

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You cry every time.

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And you're, and we've done a couple Jimmy Stewart videos.

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We've actually visited his hometown.

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We've made videos from there.

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We've made guides on kind of how to visit there.

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So we've, we've covered him a fair amount on the channel.

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Now, if folks listening to this, they listened to our John Wayne podcast from

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last week, they'll know that you got the chance to go out to Los Angeles.

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Now remind our listeners kind of what that was for.

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So there is a nonprofit called pinup for vets and they have a

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calendar they do every year where all the women in the calendar all the

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pinups are veterans and I was selected this year for the 2025 calendar.

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I'm the only Navy veteran.

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I'm going to be miss October 2025 because that's the birth month of

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the United States Navy and they I got to fly out to California to LA.

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We did the photo shoot in Manhattan beach.

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I got to look like a pinup.

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They brought a 1947 town and country Chrysler in for me, the wood panels

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the woody for my photo shoot.

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And it was just so amazing to be a part of it all and to get

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to be a part of this nonprofit.

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These calendars, Support veteran VA hospitals and veteran medical expenses.

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You'll see if you follow me at all on social media, I will go to VA

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hospitals in the area and deliver these calendars as well, addressed as a pinup.

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And I will talk to veterans in the VA hospitals in that capacity as well.

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But it's just awesome that every woman in the calendar is a veteran and it's a

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nonprofit to support veteran healthcare.

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Yeah.

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So I, if I, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you're going to

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kind of be one of the Tennessee representatives for, for this nonprofit,

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So I'm a pinup.

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Ambassador, and I've also done some of that capacity when I went to Normandy

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and the 80th anniversary of D Day.

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I dressed as a pinup and I was a pinup ambassador there as well.

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But yes, I will be representative here in the Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas area.

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I will leave a link in the show notes at, at Penn.

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I think it's pin-ups for vets.

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com.

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That you can either pre order the calendar or depending on when you're

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listening to this, you can go to the site and you can order the calendar.

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So I'll make sure that I, I put that link in the show notes

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While you were out there, it was Memorial Day weekend.

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We had some friends that you were able to stay with out there.

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So you had visited John Wayne's grave site.

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Cause you had a day and this was like, you had to hit like the top of your

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list of, if you had one day in Los Angeles, this was one of the grave

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sites you were going to go, go visit.

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And that was Jimmy Stewart.

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Yeah, at Walk with history, you can always write us with

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historical stuff you're interested in.

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And we make a lot ongoing lists.

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Especially geographically of areas we're in in case we ever get to visit

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we have huge lists for California and definitely based on time and I only had

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one day and for one day there were just two huge stars, two huge influences

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in my life that I really wanted to see John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart.

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Unfortunately they're not at the same cemetery.

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I thought they were.

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They are not.

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They're.

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Their cemeteries are about an hour away from each other.

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One is 30 minutes north of LA, one is 30 minutes south of LA.

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So Mr.

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Stewart is the one who is north of LA.

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Now he.

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Is actually in a cemetery with lots of famous movie actors and

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actresses from all different eras.

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I mean, you called out a couple on the video and that was like

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Marilyn Monroe and Clark Gable.

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Obviously, you went to go specifically see Jimmy Stewart, but this was a a

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cemetery that has quite a few folks in

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So Forest Lawn Memorial Park has six cemeteries in

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the Southern California area.

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And because they have six cemeteries, they do have in a mass number of celebrities.

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Marilyn Monroe, Clark Gable, just We were just looking up the Nelsons,

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Ozzie Nelson, Harriet Nelson, like I think Matt Perry from Friends, he's

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just been buried in Forest Lawn.

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Like it's just very famous.

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Even John Wayne's father and one of his sons is buried in Forest Lawn.

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So it's just one of those like celebrity graveyards because there's one of

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six Jimmy Stewart is in the Glendale.

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one.

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And what's interesting about going there is, is as you pull in, they

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have a, basically a cemetery watch person or, someone who greets

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you and they give you a map.

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And then if you ask for a specific celebrity, they don't

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tell you about any celebrities.

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Even though that's why people are visiting their cemetery, more or

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less, that's not what they are

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they don't, they don't promote

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They don't promote that.

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of tout it as like a

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They don't have a list of them on a map for you.

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It's nothing like that.

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If you find all that stuff, it has to be kind of like aftermarket.

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And we, we show you in our video where Jimmy Stewart is but they are there to

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talk about the history of Forest Lawn.

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There's a museum of Forest Lawn.

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Forest Lawn does have some amazing architecture buildings there.

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They do have some recreation, very Christian mementos like the Last

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Supper and the the David and the Pieta.

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So they have some recreations of some very famous Christian sculptures

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and they're beautiful stained glass.

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And so that's the kind of things that they will give you information

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about and tell you where to go.

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So just some advice.

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If you're pulling into Forest Lawn and you're asking where Marilyn

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Monroe is, they will not tell

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Yeah.

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So look it up on find a grave or something like that ahead of time.

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Now, Jimmy Stewart, you mentioned he kind of.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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He was born and raised in Indiana, Pennsylvania.

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We, we, so we got to go there.

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Now he got his start in movies pretty young as, as well.

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Okay.

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Similar to John Wayne,

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Yeah.

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So he started acting at Princeton.

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So it's so funny.

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We have John Wayne at USC.

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We have Jimmy Stewart at Princeton.

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Coast to coast, right?

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Princeton's in New Jersey.

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And so he's born and raised in Indiana, Pennsylvania.

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It's a small town in Pennsylvania Kind of like where I what I grew

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up in just like your quintessential Small Pennsylvania town, which is

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really reminiscent of It's a Wonderful

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It really does look like it.

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I'll link that our video from there.

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If people are curious to kind of, kind of what the downtown Indiana PA,

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looks but it really does look like.

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It's a wonderful life like Bedford,

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Bedford Falls.

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It looks just like it.

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So I think it wasn't a stretch for him to play that character because it

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looked just like Indiana, Pennsylvania.

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So he's, he's at Princeton.

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And after graduating, he began a career as a stage actor on Broadway.

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So he doesn't go far.

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He goes up to New

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I didn't know

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starts on Broadway, and he lands his first supporting role in The Murder Man.

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But he had a breakthrough in Frank Capra's You Can't Take It With You, 1938.

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Frank Capra.

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Don't forget that name, right?

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It's a wonderful life.

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And Frank Capra's gonna give him a lot of different, Mr.

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Smith Goes to Washington.

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He gives him a lot of these, Jumpstart movies that really influence him.

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He's really good friends with Henry Fonda.

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They're roommates and then they decide to go out to California together and

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that's when it, it's pretty early on.

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Like he, he, his breakthrough role, and you can't take it with you, is 1938.

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He makes a Philadelphia story in 1940

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what he won his Oscar

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and he went to Oscar.

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So if you see a Philadelphia story, it's a very young Jimmy Stewart,

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Katherine Heparin, cary Grant.

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And so it's kind of like this you always hate these kind of

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movies, but they, no one's getting the full story from each other.

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And everyone's

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he play like a reporter or

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a reporter.

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Exactly.

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And he wins an Oscar.

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And one of my favorite stories is like his parents call and

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we heard you won some award.

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You should probably send it home and we'll put it in his father owned the

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big hardware store in the small town.

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And he goes, we'll put it in the mid in the main window.

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And the Oscar stays 40 years.

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So anybody who visited Indiana PA could see Jimmy Stewart's Oscar in the

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front window of the hardware store.

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well You know One of the things has be kind of transitioned to kind

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of hit his midlife that I found very interesting was the Academy I looked

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this up the Academy Awards for that year was in February of 1941 So not too

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many months later, Pearl Harbor happens.

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And then Jimmy Stewart is one of the, I think you mentioned in the

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video, he is one of the first actors in Hollywood to, to go and sign

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right up and join the war effort.

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Yeah, he becomes the first major American movie star to list in the United

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States Army to fight in World War Two.

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I, this is one of the reasons I love Jimmy Stewart so much.

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His family has deep military roots.

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And if you go to the museum, you're going to see a list of all his

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family members who both of his grandfathers were in the civil war.

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His father served in the Spanish American war and World War One.

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And Jimmy Stewart believed it was his duty to serve his country.

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Before any movies, before any money or notoriety or anything

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with the movies, he believed his duty was to serve his country.

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And one of the reasons I love him so much, he was rejected in November

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of 1940 for being low weight.

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Really?

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So he enlists in February of 1941.

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So he's rejected in November 1940, goes home and eats a ton of pancakes and

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he is accepted in February of 1941.

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So that was, are you sure it was February of 1941?

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even before,

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So it's even before.

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yeah Pearl Harbor.

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So that was like, literally he had just won his

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Yes, he had literally just won the Oscar.

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crazy.

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And then as an experienced pilot, he reported for induction as

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a private in the Air Corps, March 22nd, 1941, soon to be 33 years old.

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He was over the age limit for aviation cadet training, but he applied for

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the Air Corps Corps Commission as a college graduate and a licensed pilot.

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so he had his private pilot's license.

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Oh, interesting.

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so he receives his commission as a second lieutenant on January 4th.

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First 1942.

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So all these gears were in motion when Pearl Harbor happens and he's

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commissioned a second lieutenant January the next month after Pearl Harbor

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because his again, we talked about age limits and stuff because with.

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John Wayne, because he's such a high age, the only way he was able to get

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those waivers is he already had a college degree is what you need to be an officer

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and he already had his pilot's license.

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Most men who are coming in to be pilots in the United States Navy have no flight

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And he didn't have a family.

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Well,

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No, he's not married at

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he wasn't, he wasn't married and no injuries, right?

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And so that's, that's so interesting because there are Jimmy Stewart kind of

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like, join the war effort videos, right?

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And you commented when we were making this video, you're like,

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Oh, look, he's so young, he's still wearing butter bars, right?

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And now if so, he's a second lieutenant.

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And so that was probably right when he was commissioned.

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And he even says in that video,

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Now, it isn't as if it was a chore for me to talk to you, because

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I want to speak on my favorite subject, the Army Air Forces.

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I can't speak from long experience.

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I've only been in the service a year, but I've learned a lot about

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what the Air Forces have to offer.

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That's what I want to talk to you about.

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. Scott: So he's making a promotional video as kind of part of his his early

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service, because he's so well known.

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Cause he had just won an Oscar like a year ago and makes this videos

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kind of, again, more propaganda, the good kind, getting the word out.

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And then he goes on to continue to serve, I mean, I think flying B 24s or

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B 20 fours.

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So the issue was he's still under contract with MGM.

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So after enlisting, he made no commercial films, but he's

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still under contract with MGM.

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MGM limits his public appearances to doing these, these war effort films.

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Because MGM is still Frank Capra and Ford.

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They're still trying to make films during the time.

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And so it's called Winning Your Wings and it's to help to recruit airmen.

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That's what you see him in.

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And that was nominated for Academy Award for Best Documentary in 1942,

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Oh, really?

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and it appeared in movie theaters nationwide.

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It actually, they say it recruited about over 150, 000 new

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recruits just that video alone.

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And.

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he was very concerned that his celebrity status would regulate

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him to do these behind enemy lines, which has happened to people like

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Clark Gable and things like that.

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Like they didn't put them on the front because they're celebrity.

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And if something would happen to them, it could be terrible, which did happen.

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Glenn Miller.

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And the actor, I always forget his name, but he was Ashley Wilkes in Goh Wind.

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He was a pilot and he was lost over the English channel.

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Never do be seen again.

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So

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But that didn't happen to Jimmy

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did not happen.

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But he pushed his commander to let him go to England and

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in November of 1943 they did.

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And so as he was part of the 300, the 703rd bomb squadron, and he flew the

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B 24 liberator, like you said before.

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And he was promoted to major.

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in Germany in 1944 and he was awarded the Distinguished Cross for actions taken

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as the with the second bombardment wing.

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He won an air medal with three oak leaf clusters as well.

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Can you, can you imagine being like an air crew on his aircraft and

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hearing his voice or Oh, hello there.

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I can't do a Jimmy Stewart impression, but imagine hearing him say, calling,

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what, what he's doing and how he's flying that message has been, I would

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love to hear a secondhand account from some, from somebody that was his air

Scott: 00:18:52

crew about how he was, as a pilot, as, cause as an officer, because he's

Scott: 00:18:57

always, embodied that personality of, of service, of, he was, when he eventually

Scott: 00:19:02

got married, he was married for a very long time and stayed with her.

Scott: 00:19:05

And he was very, that kind of all that whole kind of all American persona.

Scott: 00:19:10

In, as we'll kind of talk a little bit more about, he ends

Scott: 00:19:13

up after the war staying in.

Scott: 00:19:24

The world was a different place.

Scott: 00:19:25

In 1943, Hollywood was no longer a carefree bubble.

Scott: 00:19:29

Now, I found myself working for the OSS Field Photographic Branch, a

Scott: 00:19:34

far cry from greenlighting scripts.

Scott: 00:19:36

John Ford, the gruff director we all knew, was now our unlikely leader, overseeing

Scott: 00:19:41

a team capturing vital events on film.

Scott: 00:19:44

One day, a familiar name popped up on a briefing sheet.

Scott: 00:19:47

James Stewart.

Scott: 00:19:48

My heart lurched.

Scott: 00:19:49

Jimmy.

Scott: 00:19:50

America's sweetheart had become one of the first Hollywood actors

Scott: 00:19:53

to enlist in the Army Air Corps.

Scott: 00:19:55

He was flying B 24s over Europe, a stark contrast to the staged

Scott: 00:19:59

dogfights he'd once filmed.

Scott: 00:20:01

A pang of guilt washed over me, safe in my dimly lit office amidst

Scott: 00:20:05

a mountain of photographs, while Jimmy faced unimaginable danger.

Scott: 00:20:09

John Ford, ever perceptive, noticed my reaction.

Scott: 00:20:13

You know him?

Scott: 00:20:13

He rumbled.

Scott: 00:20:15

His voice paled.

Scott: 00:20:16

Betraying a flicker of respect.

Scott: 00:20:18

I poured him a cup of coffee, the memory of Jimmy's earnest face, a stark contrast

Scott: 00:20:22

to the grim realities of war on our desks.

Scott: 00:20:26

He tested for a Western at MGM years ago, I confessed.

Scott: 00:20:29

One of my first reports ever.

Scott: 00:20:32

Ford grunted, the closest he ever got to a smile.

Scott: 00:20:35

Good head on his shoulders, that one.

Scott: 00:20:38

They say he's a damn good pilot too.

Scott: 00:20:41

Every successful bombing run photograph we received felt like a personal victory.

Scott: 00:20:45

Every downed bomber a punch to the gut.

Scott: 00:20:48

Jimmy's youthful confidence on screen had morphed into a different kind

Scott: 00:20:51

of heroism, one far more dangerous.

Scott: 00:20:54

The war ended, a bittersweet victory.

Scott: 00:20:57

Hollywood started churning out war films again, but they felt hollow compared

Scott: 00:21:00

to the real stories we'd documented.

Scott: 00:21:02

Jimmy returned a decorated hero, the boyish charm tempered by

Scott: 00:21:06

the weight of his experience.

Scott: 00:21:08

He continued to shine on screen, but for me, he would always

Scott: 00:21:11

be more than a movie star.

Scott: 00:21:13

He was a reminder of the courage that lies beneath an easy smile,

Scott: 00:21:17

a testament to the war fought.

Scott: 00:21:19

Not just on the silver screens, but in the vast expanse of the sky.

Scott: 00:21:23

To my big brother George, the richest man in town.

Jenn: 00:21:34

And so if you visit Jimmy Stewart's hometown like we did in Indiana and you

Jenn: 00:21:37

have to make this hike up to his house called vinegar Hill, halfway up they have

Jenn: 00:21:43

a plaque that commemorates his service and talks about all of the war missions

Jenn: 00:21:49

he flew and it's well into the twenties.

Jenn: 00:21:52

He did 24 war missions, like over enemy lines.

Jenn: 00:21:56

And like I said, he, he's promoted to full Colonel in March of 1945.

Jenn: 00:22:02

So he's.

Jenn: 00:22:03

He's one of the few people who rises from private to colonel in only four years.

Jenn: 00:22:09

And like you said, if you asked anybody who served with

Jenn: 00:22:13

him, it's my understanding.

Jenn: 00:22:14

He was just a very humble guy, but did his job and did it well.

Jenn: 00:22:20

He didn't want any favoritism.

Jenn: 00:22:22

He didn't want any special treatment.

Jenn: 00:22:24

He wanted to do the job just like everybody else.

Jenn: 00:22:27

And he didn't want any.

Jenn: 00:22:29

People to think he was getting any Favoritism because

Jenn: 00:22:32

of his celebrity status.

Jenn: 00:22:33

So he wasn't good at what he did.

Jenn: 00:22:36

So he made sure he did everything everybody else had to do and Like you said

Jenn: 00:22:42

he doesn't get out of the service when the war is over he actually will stay in

Scott: 00:22:48

Now he stays in as a reservist.

Jenn: 00:22:50

a reservist but because of that he will be Come the highest ranking

Jenn: 00:22:58

actor in the military of all time.

Jenn: 00:23:01

He becomes a brigadier general.

Scott: 00:23:02

we do get a lot of comments and these are people who just

Scott: 00:23:05

kind of don't realize how the military, military structure works.

Scott: 00:23:08

Some people will jump in and say well, what about Ronald Reagan?

Scott: 00:23:11

Like he was the commander in chief.

Scott: 00:23:12

I was like, Okay, fair point.

Scott: 00:23:15

However, comma, the President, the Commander in Chief, is not

Scott: 00:23:18

technically in the military.

Scott: 00:23:20

They are still a civilian.

Scott: 00:23:21

They don't swear an oath into office.

Scott: 00:23:23

They don't do any of that stuff.

Scott: 00:23:25

So while they are overall in charge of, the military as the head of, of

Scott: 00:23:30

the government They are, the president is not technically in the military,

Scott: 00:23:34

so there has never been another higher ranking kind of Hollywood actor than

Scott: 00:23:40

Jimmy Stewart because he finished his time as, I think, a one star.

Scott: 00:23:44

And people will say, well, what about, John Ford?

Scott: 00:23:46

John Ford, I mean, he finishes as a Navy captain, right?

Scott: 00:23:49

There's, there's lots of folks that finishes 06s but Jimmy Stewart

Scott: 00:23:52

is, is the highest ranking of all

Jenn: 00:23:54

Yeah, he has a star and it's, and I'm not going to say that John

Jenn: 00:23:58

Ford, it's not real military service when you're making propaganda movies

Jenn: 00:24:04

or when you're making movies, but Jimmy Stewart is operating in a combat role.

Jenn: 00:24:08

So he's actually a pilot in the United

Scott: 00:24:10

Yeah, and I do believe some people will bring up John Ford

Scott: 00:24:13

because he finished as an 06 and was eventually awarded kind of like

Scott: 00:24:19

an honorary rank of Rear Admiral in the Navy, but that was honorary.

Scott: 00:24:23

He never actually held the rank while he was commissioned in military service.

Scott: 00:24:28

So people will, I think, point him out as

Jenn: 00:24:30

yes, yes.

Jenn: 00:24:32

So what I love about Jimmy Stewart.

Jenn: 00:24:36

And again, we, we cover this and with our videos from his hometown,

Jenn: 00:24:41

his first movie after he comes back from the war is It's a Wonderful

Scott: 00:24:46

And I was, I didn't realize that.

Scott: 00:24:49

And that kind of gives that movie.

Scott: 00:24:51

Now that I know that a little bit more weight and you can kind of talk about

Jenn: 00:24:55

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:24:59

So if you watch It's a Wonderful Life, first of all, Jimmy Stewart didn't know if

Jenn: 00:25:02

he would be accepted back into the movies.

Jenn: 00:25:04

He didn't know if he still had it.

Jenn: 00:25:06

He'd been gone for a while and hadn't made any movies.

Jenn: 00:25:09

So he was kind of nervous about it.

Jenn: 00:25:10

So it's Frank Capra who kind of gave him his.

Jenn: 00:25:13

start and let him back in.

Jenn: 00:25:16

Frank Capra's also has just served in, in the war.

Jenn: 00:25:19

And so that's why it's a wonderful life kind of has a war undertone.

Jenn: 00:25:22

to it.

Jenn: 00:25:23

And, but Jimmy Stewart's character is not a service member.

Jenn: 00:25:29

Jimmy Stewart's character is a support, someone who stays home, someone who

Jenn: 00:25:34

never gets to serve, someone who never gets the glory of combat or surviving

Jenn: 00:25:40

combat or coming home to victory.

Jenn: 00:25:44

His brother does.

Jenn: 00:25:46

So bit who his brother is in It's a Wonderful Life is actually

Jenn: 00:25:51

who Jimmy Stewart actually was.

Jenn: 00:25:54

But Jimmy Stewart plays the character of the brother who stays home and supports

Jenn: 00:25:58

everybody else and keeps everything safe and normal back home in America.

Jenn: 00:26:04

And I really appreciate that so much because he didn't have to play that part.

Jenn: 00:26:11

That really wasn't who he was.

Jenn: 00:26:13

He was the other guy.

Jenn: 00:26:15

But he wanted to show, and I appreciate this, the appreciation for everybody

Jenn: 00:26:21

who stays back home and supports you.

Scott: 00:26:23

What, and I think you, you call out in the video that I loved was that

Scott: 00:26:27

the hero of this movie was the person who stayed home, was the person who was a 4F,

Scott: 00:26:36

was the person that didn't get to follow what they thought their dreams were, but

Scott: 00:26:41

they supported everybody else's dreams.

Scott: 00:26:43

They were there lifting everybody else up through the effort, through this

Scott: 00:26:48

little town and made everything better.

Scott: 00:26:51

by being that person who stayed home, by being that foundation, even though

Scott: 00:26:56

they didn't get to follow their dreams.

Scott: 00:26:59

And you call it out at the end when his brother gives him the toast, to my big

Scott: 00:27:02

brother, George, the richest man in town.

Scott: 00:27:05

And that is Jimmy Stewart kind of that nod to everybody else in the war effort that

Scott: 00:27:13

that stayed home That didn't get the quote unquote glory of going to war and coming

Scott: 00:27:18

back and so when you when you pointed that out in the video, I just absolutely

Scott: 00:27:24

loved that perspective of This movie that is such an all time classic that is it's

Scott: 00:27:31

a wonderful life your favorite movie of all time So I thought you did a great job

Scott: 00:27:35

You Pointing that out in the video right and I cut over some it's wonderful life

Scott: 00:27:39

kind of video footage and stuff like that So I encourage people to watch it after

Scott: 00:27:43

this but it was so neat That that was his first movie back coming from coming back

Scott: 00:27:49

from the war coming back from all this and he makes this This just instant ultra

Scott: 00:27:53

classic And then continues on from there.

Jenn: 00:28:00

Sure, and I think it's another testament to how humble he is.

Jenn: 00:28:03

He's not looking to get that accolade.

Jenn: 00:28:06

He's looking to thank everybody else for what they did during that time.

Jenn: 00:28:12

And he also had some PTSD, and they, he felt like maybe making this

Jenn: 00:28:17

movie would help him to process it, because it is a look back at World

Jenn: 00:28:21

War II, and it really did help him.

Jenn: 00:28:24

kind of process that PTSD and understand, all the loss of life of World War II,

Jenn: 00:28:29

but understand what we were fighting for.

Jenn: 00:28:32

And, when you go on with your life, and you try to live a wonderful life, you

Jenn: 00:28:37

do it in memory of all of those that gave up their life for you to do that.

Jenn: 00:28:41

And I think that was another reason why he wanted to make this film.

Scott: 00:28:45

Yeah.

Scott: 00:28:45

Now, obviously, making it's a wonderful life was a big success for him.

Scott: 00:28:49

And I don't, I don't know if it was, instantly successful kind of at the time.

Scott: 00:28:53

I'm sure it was, it was well received, but he, he continues

Scott: 00:28:56

on and he has an, an incredibly successful, career in life after that.

Jenn: 00:29:00

Sure.

Jenn: 00:29:00

Well, it's a wonderful life at the time wasn't well received.

Jenn: 00:29:03

It's a wonderful life at the time was mediocre.

Jenn: 00:29:06

Now it has grown into infamy.

Jenn: 00:29:08

Now it's become a classic and everybody loves it.

Jenn: 00:29:11

But at the time it was, it

Scott: 00:29:13

It was a Christmas

Jenn: 00:29:13

Christmas movie, but he made like Harvey in 1947 and that was

Scott: 00:29:20

and he got nominated for

Jenn: 00:29:21

huge.

Jenn: 00:29:22

And we, we watch Harvey.

Jenn: 00:29:23

His acting is just amazing.

Scott: 00:29:26

podcast about him and I included the clip in the video.

Scott: 00:29:30

It's some of the best acting.

Scott: 00:29:32

All right.

Scott: 00:29:33

I was just so surprised when I watched certain scenes in this movie that I can

Scott: 00:29:38

100 percent see why he was nominated for Best Actor and he was actually

Scott: 00:29:43

nominated multiple times for multiple

Jenn: 00:29:45

Oh, yeah.

Jenn: 00:29:46

And he's going to go on to work with the great himself, Alfred Hitchcock.

Jenn: 00:29:50

He does a couple movies with Alfred Hitchcock.

Jenn: 00:29:51

He'll do Rope.

Jenn: 00:29:53

He'll do Vertigo.

Jenn: 00:29:54

And he'll do the movie that's connected to our family, Rear Window.

Jenn: 00:29:58

And Rear Window is amazing.

Jenn: 00:30:00

Anyone who can act from a wheelchair, a whole movie.

Jenn: 00:30:06

I mean, this is a testimony to how great of an actor he is.

Scott: 00:30:09

And if you guys are curious about our tie, we won't go too deep

Scott: 00:30:12

into it, but again, my grandfather was a Hollywood prop master and actually

Scott: 00:30:16

worked as a prop master on rear window.

Scott: 00:30:19

And he has a picture.

Scott: 00:30:20

We have the picture of him setting the, essentially the

Scott: 00:30:25

back lot stage for the movie.

Scott: 00:30:27

So you see, if you've ever seen rear window, if you haven't, it's

Scott: 00:30:30

actually, it stands up very, very well.

Scott: 00:30:32

It's still very good.

Scott: 00:30:34

It's Jimmy Stewart and Grace Kelly.

Scott: 00:30:36

The they kind of are watching the neighbors in this kind of this murder that

Scott: 00:30:41

happens and all this this drama, right?

Scott: 00:30:43

But there's the whole setting and if you've seen it before a picture that rear

Scott: 00:30:45

window that kind of courtyard Setting but they have the labels and my grandfather

Scott: 00:30:51

He must have probably had them there or had a picture of it of the labels of

Scott: 00:30:54

each of the characters at each of their Spots across the courtyard and so we

Scott: 00:30:58

have that picture and that's never shown in the movie that that is a true family

Scott: 00:31:03

heirloom and And so it's really neat.

Scott: 00:31:05

So I actually show some video of that.

Scott: 00:31:07

If you guys are curious up, I'll link the this Jimmy Stewart.

Scott: 00:31:11

So I took some video of this picture we have in our house of that

Scott: 00:31:15

back lot with the labels for the different characters in that movie.

Jenn: 00:31:19

And that movie came out in 1954.

Jenn: 00:31:21

It's the eighth highest grossing film of 1954.

Jenn: 00:31:25

And what else happened is he replaces, in Look Magazine they do the most

Jenn: 00:31:30

popular movie stars of all time, 1954, Jimmy Stewart will replace John Wayne.

Scott: 00:31:36

No way.

Jenn: 00:31:37

the top movie star.

Scott: 00:31:38

Oh, my

Jenn: 00:31:38

I know so 1954 is big for him rear window and replacing John Wayne The

Jenn: 00:31:43

thing about Jimmy Stewart is he's he's still bankable and he gets more bankable

Jenn: 00:31:49

just as his career goes on He's just one of those stars that just Just gross.

Jenn: 00:31:54

And it doesn't matter.

Jenn: 00:31:55

He keeps, he, he's not really typecasted.

Jenn: 00:31:58

He does Westerns.

Jenn: 00:32:00

He does suspense films.

Jenn: 00:32:02

He does family films.

Jenn: 00:32:04

He, he can really just be very versatile.

Jenn: 00:32:08

I mean, he's playing Alfred Hitchcock.

Jenn: 00:32:09

He's doing family films.

Jenn: 00:32:11

He's doing Westerns.

Jenn: 00:32:12

He's playing Billy.

Jenn: 00:32:13

He's doing he's playing Lindbergh in the Spirit of St.

Jenn: 00:32:15

Louis.

Jenn: 00:32:16

He's playing Glenn Miller in The

Scott: 00:32:17

I mean, and he's, he's tied to John Wayne, not only from 1954, but

Scott: 00:32:21

he's in John Wayne's last movie, The Shootist, which again, they're both kind

Scott: 00:32:25

of in the twilights of their careers, obviously for John Wayne, that was his

Scott: 00:32:28

last movie, but Jimmy Stewart, that was one of his last, not his very last.

Scott: 00:32:32

But he plays this doctor giving John Wayne's character, this

Scott: 00:32:36

rough and tough sheriff, the, the bad news that essentially.

Scott: 00:32:40

John Wayne's character, I don't remember his name has cancer, has terminal

Jenn: 00:32:45

Yeah, so they were together in the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

Jenn: 00:32:48

And that's a John Ford movie shot in black and white to make them both

Jenn: 00:32:51

look younger because they were kind of

Scott: 00:32:52

Which is a phenomenal movie.

Jenn: 00:32:54

older at the time.

Jenn: 00:32:55

So I think the shoot is reminiscent of them coming back together in a

Jenn: 00:32:59

Western Jimmy Stewart at the time had some hearing problems, couldn't quite

Jenn: 00:33:04

get the cues right on movies anymore.

Jenn: 00:33:07

And John Wayne said, don't worry, I got you.

Jenn: 00:33:09

So together John Wayne would help give him the cue to say

Scott: 00:33:13

he would stomp his foot real loud or something like that.

Jenn: 00:33:15

Do something flick his face like do something.

Jenn: 00:33:17

Excellent.

Jenn: 00:33:17

Jimmy Stewart knew when to deliver the line and stuff.

Jenn: 00:33:20

So it just was a comfort level.

Jenn: 00:33:23

You're going to see that with Jimmy Stewart.

Jenn: 00:33:24

He really is, he's a people person, right?

Jenn: 00:33:27

And he is just really feels comfortable with certain people.

Jenn: 00:33:31

We talked about his marriage to Gloria.

Jenn: 00:33:34

He marries Gloria, I think, let me make sure I have the date right here.

Jenn: 00:33:42

He marries Gloria in 1949, and together they'll have two daughters.

Jenn: 00:33:47

He'll adopt her two sons from a previous marriage, and he's with

Jenn: 00:33:52

her until her death in 1994.

Jenn: 00:33:55

Now he lives for three more years, but he becomes kind of reclusive after

Jenn: 00:33:59

this because of the comfort level.

Jenn: 00:34:01

He doesn't feel comfortable with anybody.

Jenn: 00:34:04

else really after her.

Jenn: 00:34:05

He wants to see his children, but that's about it.

Jenn: 00:34:09

And it comes to a point where he has a pacemaker and he doesn't

Jenn: 00:34:13

get the battery replaced.

Jenn: 00:34:14

He just, he wants to be with Gloria.

Jenn: 00:34:16

Those are his final words.

Jenn: 00:34:17

I want to go be with Gloria now.

Jenn: 00:34:19

And he's just a family man.

Jenn: 00:34:22

He, he is one of those people that he, not only shows you what it's like to be

Jenn: 00:34:30

a person of good character, he's living the life of a man of good character.

Jenn: 00:34:33

And that's one of the reasons I love Jimmy Stewart so much to be able to, there was

Jenn: 00:34:38

no flag at his grave for Memorial day.

Jenn: 00:34:40

So to be able to be the one to leave a flag at Brigadier General James

Jenn: 00:34:46

Maitland Stewart's grave, it was an.

Jenn: 00:34:48

honor for me.

Jenn: 00:34:49

And then his adopted son, who is killed in Vietnam, who Memorial Day is

Jenn: 00:34:55

all about, also did not have a flag.

Jenn: 00:34:57

He's buried.

Jenn: 00:34:58

Beside his, his mother, who's Jimmy Stewart's wife I left

Jenn: 00:35:03

a flag at his grave as well.

Jenn: 00:35:04

That was such an honor for me.

Jenn: 00:35:06

So my Memorial Day for me was perfect because I got to honor

Jenn: 00:35:12

somebody who I really look up to and honor his son and his service.

Jenn: 00:35:18

And for me, it just meant a lot to be there.

Scott: 00:35:20

Yeah, it was, it was, again, I'm so glad that you got out there and

Scott: 00:35:25

you got to be able to make that video.

Scott: 00:35:26

And I think you bring up some really great points about Jimmy Stewart's

Scott: 00:35:30

service and what he did after, right after he came back with that role.

Scott: 00:35:37

And it's a wonderful life.

Scott: 00:35:38

And I, I really encourage people to go watch the video.

Scott: 00:35:40

It's a shorter one, five or six minutes.

Scott: 00:35:42

But it's, I think it was just, I just really enjoyed kind of

Scott: 00:35:46

the points that you brought up.

Scott: 00:35:53

The silver screen shimmered a little less brightly for me in 1976.

Scott: 00:35:58

Gone were the days of feeding scripts to fresh faced hopefuls.

Scott: 00:36:01

I'd now navigated a Hollywood landscape obsessed with sequels and explosions.

Scott: 00:36:06

Yet, here I was.

Scott: 00:36:07

Back in familiar territory.

Scott: 00:36:10

John Wayne's office, of all places.

Scott: 00:36:12

Only this time, I wasn't a nervous junior executive, seeking

Scott: 00:36:15

approval, but a seasoned advisor brought in for a specific purpose.

Scott: 00:36:19

Jimmy Stewart.

Scott: 00:36:21

The name still held a certain magic.

Scott: 00:36:23

The lanky youth I championed all those years ago had blossomed

Scott: 00:36:26

into a Hollywood legend.

Scott: 00:36:28

He was here for the shootist, a poignant reflection on aging gunslingers, a role

Scott: 00:36:33

that echoed his own on screen persona.

Scott: 00:36:37

Time had etched lines on Jimmy's face, the boyish grin replaced by a seasoned

Scott: 00:36:42

smile, but his eyes still held that same spark of decency, the same twinkle that

Scott: 00:36:46

had captivated audiences for decades.

Scott: 00:36:49

We talked about the script, dissecting the character of J.

Scott: 00:36:52

B.

Scott: 00:36:52

Brooks, a fading Marshall clinging to a bygone era.

Scott: 00:36:55

I'm damn lucky you were around, Doc.

Scott: 00:36:57

That second one nearly did me in.

Scott: 00:37:00

There was a vulnerability in Jimmy's portrayal of the physician.

Scott: 00:37:05

Who gives John Wayne's character the news no one wants to hear.

Scott: 00:37:19

Books, every few days I have to tell a man or a woman something I don't want to.

Scott: 00:37:25

I've been practicing medicine for 29 years and I still don't know how to do it well.

Scott: 00:37:31

A quiet acceptance of mortality that resonated deeply.

Scott: 00:37:35

It was a far cry from the wisecracking reporter of the Philadelphia story, or

Scott: 00:37:40

the idealistic heroes of his many films.

Scott: 00:37:43

Yet in a way, it felt like a culmination.

Scott: 00:37:45

Here was Jimmy.

Scott: 00:37:46

The embodiment of American virtue confronting his own twilight.

Scott: 00:37:50

As we worked, I couldn't help but reminisce.

Scott: 00:37:52

I shared stories from his early days, the forgotten tests that launched his career.

Scott: 00:37:57

A hint of surprise actually flickered across his face, then a warm smile.

Scott: 00:38:01

Seems like a lifetime ago, he chuckled.

Scott: 00:38:05

That familiar drawl still holding its charm.

Scott: 00:38:08

Filming wrapped, and Jimmy's performance in The Shootist was a

Scott: 00:38:10

masterclass in understated brilliance.

Scott: 00:38:13

It wasn't the showstopper of his youth, but a quiet symphony of emotions.

Scott: 00:38:17

Watching him on screen, I didn't see a Hollywood legend, but the

Scott: 00:38:20

young man with a nervous twitch.

Scott: 00:38:23

The man who dared to dream big.

Scott: 00:38:25

The man who soared through the skies in a B 24.

Scott: 00:38:29

Jimmy Stewart's legacy transcended the silver screen.

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He was a testament to the enduring power of decency, a reminder that heroism

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comes in many forms, and for me, he would always be a bridge between the wide eyed

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dreams of Hollywood's golden age and the bittersweet realities of time's passage.

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Thank you for listening to Talk With History podcast and please reach out

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We'll talk to you next time.

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Thank you.