Visiting Band of Brothers Heroes at Arlington National Cemetery

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His writing that he died in 19 I don't know where the 1948 comes

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from, but his dying that he died in 1948 doesn't really get fact

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checked until the miniseries comes

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Then of course it gets really popular

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He gets really popular, and his family sees it, and

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this is in the miniseries.

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It says it at the end, Blythe dies in 1948.

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His family will see this and be like, hold up.

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No he's not.

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Welcome to Talk with History.

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I am your host, Scott, here with my wife and historian, Jenn.

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Hello.

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On this podcast, we give you insights to our history inspired world travels,

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YouTube channel journey, and examine history through deeper conversations

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with the curious, the explorers, and the history lovers out there.

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Today, we're heading back to hallowed ground, Arlington

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National Cemetery, one last time.

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We're on a mission to honor some real life heroes, the men of Easy

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Company, immortalized in the book and mini series Band of Brothers.

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From jumping into occupied France on D Day to braving the brutal winter

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offensive in the Battle of the Bulge, these soldiers faced unimaginable horrors.

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But their courage, their camaraderie, and their unwavering spirit became legend.

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today, five of these easy company veterans rest in Arlington, a place of quiet

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reflection and immense national pride.

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us as we locate their headstones and share the stories of these extraordinary men.

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So grab your headphones, lace up your walking shoes and prepare to be inspired.

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This is a journey of remembrance.

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and a tribute to the band of brothers buried in Arlington National Cemetery.

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All right, Jen, so we know what we're talking about

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talking about today.

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Walk With History has done many videos from Arlington, and we

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are very now intimately familiar with the topography of Arlington.

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We know what areas you're going to cover, and basically, if you're going

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there to cover a certain topic, how you want to plan your day, because you

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can't be walking across the cemetery two or three times in one visit.

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I would recommend.

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Not even walking across it in one visit.

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It is a massive space and You really don't get any kind of vehicle access

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unless you have someone buried there.

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So you must walk and it is hilly and it is a lot of exercise and

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if it's Anytime in the heat of the summer it can be very tiring.

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what we we have for those listening to this Podcast episode, right?

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So on our youtube channel, we've cut we've probably made Maybe almost a

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dozen videos from from arlington.

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I've got a whole playlist and i'll link that that video playlist in the

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show notes of this podcast episode, but we've been there numerous times

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in almost every season in almost every condition Covered it's just some

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incredibly amazing people You actors and actresses and, obviously all veterans.

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It's been, we've done women, we've

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done Tuskegee Airmen, Arlington House.

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We do John F.

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Kennedy, Tomb of the Unknown, so we do the big ones that you're going

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to see on like an original visit.

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And then we started to do more off the beaten path.

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So we got into the back of Arlington and some randoms like when we

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did Gunny Ermey, he's way off on the right side in a new section.

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And so it was after we did Masters of the Air.

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That took us to all the way back to the right to the left section where we found

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Egan There we started to go well What other series have people that could be

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buried at Arlington and we really were like band of brothers We couldn't and

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we couldn't believe that we a hadn't done that and be really no one has

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Right, and because we've done Tuskegee Airmen, we've danced all

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around World War II, all throughout Arlington, and we don't know how we

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didn't cover the Band of Brothers, but you found out that there's five

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that are currently buried there.

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They're currently buried there.

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And what's nice?

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I would say nice about the band of brothers is there in it really three

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sections that are pretty close together.

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So if you're going to visit the band of brothers in Arlington,

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you can see all of them relatively easily and quickly, which is nice.

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Now, one of the, the first ones that we're going to talk about here was

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actually featured in the mini series.

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Relatively prominently

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. Jenn: We're going to talk about a more controversial character right

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off the get go because he has a prominent part in in the series.

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And he also was depicted inaccurately by Stephen Ambrose,

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who wrote the book in 1992.

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It's published.

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The show was made in 2001, right after 9 11.

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It airs.

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So it gets a lot of notoriety and camaraderie around the

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patriotism of the time.

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But Stephen Ambrose, who's a great scholar, really messes up on this person.

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And this person has a very prominent role in the series.

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So we're talking about Albert Blythe.

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He

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Yeah, so tell me a little bit about when now he was he a private first class

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was private first class with the Easy company, second

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battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment and the 101st Airborne.

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He.

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makes that initial jump on D Day with the rest of Easy Company, the original

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men of Easy Company and he gets separated from everybody and he's depicted in the

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series as he gets separated and he's Scared he doesn't quite know what to do.

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So he just goes to sleep

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Band of Brothers: Sir, when I landed on D Day, I found myself

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in a ditch all by myself.

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I fell asleep.

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I think it was, it was air sickness pills, I guess.

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When I woke up, I didn't really try to find my unit.

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To fight.

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Just

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I just stayed put.

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What's your name, Trooper?

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Blithe, sir.

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Albert Blithe.

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The nice thing about doing covering miniseries like this sometimes or

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Historical figures covered in miniseries is you can cut in good examples.

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And so I actually cut in An example of him saying I don't in the miniseries.

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He wasn't explaining it to dick winters It was someone else and you

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can tell the way that they crafted for the miniseries this character

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was someone who was afraid, right?

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He said, hey, when I landed on D Day, I woke up and I was in my foxhole

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and I didn't go look for my company.

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I just laid there.

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And he he's portraying someone who, who it's, you put in the

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category of coward, unfortunately.

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I want to debunk that because I want people to understand.

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First of all, Blythe is coming from Philadelphia.

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He only went to three years of high school before he enlisted in the paratroopers.

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So he's 18, 19 years old when he's enlisting from his hometown.

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There's no cowardice here.

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He's what they call a misdrop.

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So a misdrop is, there was a number of paratroopers who didn't hit the target

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and got scattered out in different areas.

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We'll talk a little bit more about, one of the other band of

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brothers buried here talks about it in an interview and we'll talk we'll

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discuss that later and how that happens

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you have to imagine to, to have trained with everybody to plan for D Day.

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And then this huge invasion of D Day and then to get misdropped and lost

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he teams up with other misdrops and they found the rest of Easy Company.

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But what you do in those initial moments is like scary because you're

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by yourself across enemy lines in France occupied Nazi Germany.

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And and you can understand like what he's saying is, I didn't

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know what to do, so I fell.

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I went to sleep or I just stayed in my position and waited

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till other people found me.

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That's more of what he did.

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He's basically just stood fast and he just waited.

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Now they depicted in this.

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So I went to sleep like, he maybe he fell asleep, but it wasn't as if he

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was like, I don't know what to do.

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I'm scared.

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I'm gonna fall asleep.

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I'm gonna go to sleep.

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even his show he says oh, I think it was the air sickness medicine But I

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also found in an interview later where dick winters, you know in a interview

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says the same thing that you're saying is he debunks that he's listen, the

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miniseries was exaggerated, right?

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And he goes on to say, let me tell you about this man

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I think the problem Winters had with this, and this is a problem that you and I

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both have with this, is he's not a coward.

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He is doing his duty.

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He did jump and he got lost.

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He got, not by any fault of his own.

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He did find his group.

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He does continue to fight.

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You will see he, he's actually injured by a sniper.

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He does receive the Purple Heart.

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So what happens after he's reunited is it shows some kind of, he gets

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hysterical blindness, they call it.

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So it's basically like a temporary case of PTSD where you're just so overwhelmed.

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by the stress of everything that your body reacts to stress and we've,

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down.

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we've talked about this a lot, whether or not you want your body to

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react to stress, your body will react to

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The thing is, is there are certain things that you can train to

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and there's certain things that you just can't a good example that always

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pops into my head is for mountaineers.

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Mountaineers, they can train to be in good physical condition, have good

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cardio, but until you actually get to altitude, you, you won't know until

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how your body's gonna react to it.

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You can be in peak physical condition here at sea level, be a marathon

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runner and all this stuff, and carry heavy pa heavy, heavy packs.

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You get to altitude and you might, your body just might not be able to

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handle it and that's, no, there's no conditioning around that.

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Yeah.

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So this is to me, an example now, I think for the mini series.

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about again in the past, they capture a bunch of what happens to other

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people and they tend to embody multiple examples of something into a character.

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I have a feeling that's what happened because what the, of known

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for in this mini series is his interaction later with Dick Winters.

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And that is true.

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So Winters does.

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Winters goes to the infirmary for another reason, and as he's in the

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infirmary, he goes down the line to see his guys, and Blythe is one of them.

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And Blythe is having a case of temporary hysteria blindness,

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and Winters talks to him.

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And Winters basically levels with him, humanizes it, and tells

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him, we're, we're all scared.

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Right?

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Even Winters admits we're all scared.

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We all, we all are not really knowing what we're doing.

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We're hoping training takes over.

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All of us are in this together.

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This is war.

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Winters even says it happens relatively quickly where Bly gets this understanding.

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He feels some camaraderie.

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He feels understood.

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I think he feels a little bit of a shared.

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Kinship there, which happens with soldiers and starts to come out of

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it because it is a physical ailment that is brought on by stress.

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And once you can start to alleviate that stress or at least deal with the stress,

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the physical element heals itself.

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And so hysterical blindness basically clears and then He is part of a

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group that investigates a farmhouse.

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Days later, he's shot in the collarbone by a sniper.

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He recovers from the wound.

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He's awarded the Purple Heart.

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Now the series will say that he never recovers from the wounds and dies in 1948.

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I have no idea where Stephen Ambrose got that, but most people say it's

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because no one ever really talked to Blythe again after he's injured.

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I think Dick Winters said in that later interview he mentioned

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that he got wounded and he said that they thought they had lost him.

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Yeah.

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So I'm I'm connecting some dots based on what we've seen in your research

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is that my assumption is that he was injured Right ended up surviving

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it but the rest of easy company had already moved on They didn't realize

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that he survived and then from there.

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I think he was he's probably shipped home

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Yeah, he was shipped home and he was released from the

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army hospital in October 1945.

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So it's after the end of the war and he basically loses touch with everybody.

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Now he eventually will serve in Korea.

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He re ups and serves in the Korea in the 187th Airborne where he's awarded a bronze

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star and a silver star for jumping behind

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. enemy lines surrounded by a Chinese battalion.

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He never gets to retire from military service because he dies

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at age 44 in December of 1967.

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So I think this is a perfect storm.

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Since Ambrose writes Band of Brothers and it's published in 1992, he's doing

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his research in the 80s, publishing it.

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Blythe does die in the 60s, so he doesn't have to fact check

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Blythe's death, but Blythe is dead.

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So it works, and if you're not talking specifically to family or reaching out

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to family or finding people who knew him and remembered him, His writing

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that he died in 19 I don't know where the 1948 comes from, but his dying

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that he died in 1948 doesn't really get fact checked until the miniseries comes

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Then of course it gets really popular

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He gets really popular, and his family sees it, and

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this is in the miniseries.

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It says it at the end, Blythe dies in 1948.

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His family will see this and be like, hold up.

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No he's not.

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He has a wife.

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With Kay, he has a son Gordon, who will, who will see this and talk about what

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really happened on active duty in Germany.

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He felt nauseated, returned from a weekend at Bastogne in Belgium.

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He had taken part in a commemorating ceremony of the Battle of the Bulge,

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and he was taken to the emergency department in Germany where he was

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met, admitted with a perforated ulcer and he dies in intensive care.

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And then he's Buried at Arlington National Cemetery with full honors.

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So in Band of Brothers, it is depicted, unfortunately, it isn't accurate.

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The Blythe family comes out and it led to corrections in subsequent

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books of Band of Brothers.

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So if you have new editions of Band of Brothers, it is corrected but you will

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still see it in the original series.

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And we just want to honor all of you.

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Blythe because he was a hero and some people will say he's depicted not as one

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and I just want to make it clear just because you suffer from hysteria blindness

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or just because you suffer from some kind of PTSD or just because you get separated

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from your group and you hold fast.

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instead of taking on a thousand German soldiers by yourself

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does not make you a coward.

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You are doing your duty.

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You're doing your job and you have to overcome challenges and challenges don't

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just happen to you after your service.

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Your PTSD doesn't just happen to you after you're done.

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PTSD can happen during your service.

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Your time during your service as you're fighting.

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And if you overcome it, then in the moment you are still

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overcoming and you're still a hero.

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And so we wanted to honor Blythe.

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He's the first person I visited in Arlington.

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He's right by Robert, Todd Lincoln.

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So most people will go see Robert Todd Lincoln, that is Lincoln's oldest son.

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just like down the hill.

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down the hill from it and it's so very easy to find and there's

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a path to Robert Todd Lincoln's Sarcophagus, and so just right

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down the hill you will see Blythe.

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I actually met other people there who were looking for Blythe and I Directed

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them to Egan from Masters of the Air.

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They didn't know Egan was there and we took pictures They were from Poland

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and we talked for a little while.

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So Blythe is a visited person from Band of Brothers at Arlington

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and he's at Easygrave to find and he's there waiting for you.

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It was, it was cool to be able to make that part of the video for him.

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Now, the next person we're going to talk about was was actually

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part of the leadership portrayed in the show band of brothers.

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And this was Lieutenant Colonel Strayer, if I remember

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Yeah, Robert Strayer.

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He was the battalion commander for a time over Easy Company.

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He supported making the show Band of Brothers, but he said

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it was hard for him to watch.

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He's depicted by actor Phil McKee.

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He is in charge of Easy Company, hands it over to Dick Winters.

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Now, if, if you are a Band of Brothers fan, and you remember the show

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so picture there's, I don't know the name of the episode, but they are still

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in England and they are training, right?

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And it's the scene where some of the soldiers kind of trick Captain

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Sobel . Into cutting the fence of this farmer's field, right?

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One of the soldiers is yelling from behind some bushes Imitate and

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basically imitating like a major,

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. Band of Brothers: Connie, Bobo's lost again, right?

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Yeah, he's lost.

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Hey, Luz.

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Luz.

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Can you do Major Horton?

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That's a wild pair of crap in the woods, son.

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That's good.

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If you get a good major, you can go see Smuck.

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Can I just move it?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yes.

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Luz, you got it.

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You got it.

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Come on.

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All right, just this once.

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No, sir.

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It's here.

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You're a full grid off.

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Goddamn it.

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Is there a problem, Captain Sobel?

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Who said that?

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Who broke silence?

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I think it's Major Horton, sir.

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Major Horton?

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What is he?

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Did he join us?

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I think maybe he's moving between the platoons, sir.

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What is the goddamn holdup, Master Sobel?

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A fence!

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Sir, um God.

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A barbed wire fence!

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Oh, that dog just ain't gonna hunt!

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Now you cut that fence and get this god damn platoon on the move!

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Yes, sir!

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Then It flashes forward to, Dick Winter seeing Sobel come up, they're

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completely lost and all this stuff.

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Band of Brothers: You've done it now, Yanks.

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You've captured me.

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Would that be the enemy?

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As a matter of fact, yes.

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And then again, it steps right into Sobel getting yelled

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at by then Major Strayer.

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Band of Brothers: Who was the idiot who cut that man's fence?

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I was ordered to, sir.

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By who?

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Major Horton, sir.

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Major Horton?

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Yes, sir.

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Major Horton told you to do that?

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Yes, sir.

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Major Horton ordered you to cut the fence?

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Yes, he did.

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Major Horton is on leave.

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And then you just, you see, it's that moment in a show where the, you

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the antagonist gets his comeuppance.

Scott: 00:20:04

And that was one of those moments.

Scott: 00:20:06

And it was, it was major Strayer that was giving him the, reading him the right act.

Jenn: 00:20:11

So he's in charge.

Jenn: 00:20:12

So in a major, as a major in 1942, he's in command of the 2nd

Jenn: 00:20:16

Battalion of the 506 Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne.

Jenn: 00:20:20

In 1945, he's made executive officer of the 506, and his position as the 2nd

Jenn: 00:20:27

Battalion CO was filled by Major Richard.

Jenn: 00:20:30

Winters.

Jenn: 00:20:31

So that he basically gets promoted and then Winters takes his job.

Jenn: 00:20:37

During his service, he's going to earn four bronze stars, one

Jenn: 00:20:41

silver star and one purple heart.

Jenn: 00:20:43

He's pretty badass too.

Jenn: 00:20:45

And I think he's a good leadership example for winters.

Jenn: 00:20:49

I think winters looks up to him more, definitely more than Sobel , but

Jenn: 00:20:52

he fills that role because he had a good example from Strayer on how to

Scott: 00:20:59

a good example from Strayer on how to build that wall.

Scott: 00:21:13

He's he's a little bit of that connection between the colonel who ultimately who

Scott: 00:21:18

finally sends Sobel off to Without he fires him without firing him He's like

Scott: 00:21:22

this is a promotion to send some off to go do you know to to do training?

Scott: 00:21:26

And major strayer is right there, right?

Scott: 00:21:28

So again, if you if you remember that scene where Sobel is essentially

Scott: 00:21:32

quote unquote promoted But he's sent off to do to run a training company.

Scott: 00:21:37

Major Strayer is the third person in that scene.

Scott: 00:21:40

It's the colonel in Sobel , but Major Strayer is sitting

Scott: 00:21:42

there right off to the side.

Scott: 00:21:43

Doesn't have many lines, but he's right there.

Scott: 00:21:45

And that's how, and that's how it would have been.

Jenn: 00:21:47

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:21:47

So you and I relate a lot to this, right?

Jenn: 00:21:49

Because we were both officers in the military and I always talk about Dick

Jenn: 00:21:52

Winters and what it takes to lead and then move up the rank politically

Jenn: 00:21:57

as the leadership role gets more and more I wouldn't say important, but,

Jenn: 00:22:03

It's more difficult because you're overseeing more and more people and

Jenn: 00:22:06

it's more and more political and then it's more and more your decisions are

Jenn: 00:22:09

very heavy at this point because they have lasting impact and they trickle

Jenn: 00:22:14

down over a ton of your personnel and that is where this is where Strayer is.

Jenn: 00:22:23

And these are the hard decisions, because even though you see Sobel and

Jenn: 00:22:29

you're like, Oh, he's terrible leader.

Jenn: 00:22:31

He does prepare his men better than any other leader because he makes them do

Jenn: 00:22:36

all this physical activity to a fault.

Jenn: 00:22:39

But they are so conditioned and ready for D Day.

Jenn: 00:22:43

And even though Sobel is not good with the leadership of taking any kind

Jenn: 00:22:48

of criticism, or learning from his mistakes, he really is one of those

Jenn: 00:22:53

leaders who feels like they're right all the time and really rests on rank.

Jenn: 00:22:58

and You still as a leader of someone like that, you are still trying to

Jenn: 00:23:02

teach and mentor them to be better.

Jenn: 00:23:04

You don't just automatically kick them out or change or you really do your best

Jenn: 00:23:09

to try to help them learn from that.

Jenn: 00:23:13

And unfortunately in this situation, trouble didn't.

Jenn: 00:23:16

We're, we're getting into battle, time is of the essence, and they do

Jenn: 00:23:19

make this quick leadership change.

Jenn: 00:23:20

But you see how difficult it is even for the leaders to do

Scott: 00:23:23

Yeah.

Scott: 00:23:23

And that's why I I liked that you covered Strayer because, right, as,

Scott: 00:23:28

as someone who's more senior now, right, as you go up, you deal with like

Scott: 00:23:31

knuckleheads or even good soldiers and sailors that make knucklehead decisions.

Scott: 00:23:36

And so if you think about it, Strayer dealt with Sobel when he cut

Scott: 00:23:39

the fence, he probably dealt with the NCOs during the kind of little

Scott: 00:23:42

mutiny , right, when they said, Hey, we're not going to follow this man.

Scott: 00:23:45

And the colonel's yelling at them, but you know that Strayer was

Scott: 00:23:48

the one that first got that word.

Scott: 00:23:49

He's I can just picture Strayer being like, seriously, come on.

Scott: 00:23:53

He's I don't want to deal with this.

Scott: 00:23:55

I can just picture him in between before the information got to the colonel.

Jenn: 00:23:59

I, I picture the colonel ripping Strayer apart before

Jenn: 00:24:03

he rips apart the NCOs, right?

Jenn: 00:24:05

He's gonna, believe me, your higher ups are gonna take it out first on

Jenn: 00:24:09

the person next closest to them.

Jenn: 00:24:12

They don't take it out on

Scott: 00:24:13

Strayer probably got it first from the colonel and the colonel

Scott: 00:24:16

probably calmed down after Strayer took the initial shots and then,

Jenn: 00:24:21

And that's your job.

Scott: 00:24:22

and that's, that's part of it.

Scott: 00:24:23

So it was, it was really neat to be able to cover him cause not one

Scott: 00:24:27

of the core characters, but part of the leadership and then to see what

Scott: 00:24:30

he did after the fact was really

Jenn: 00:24:31

Exactly.

Jenn: 00:24:32

And in just instrumental, just another good leader.

Jenn: 00:24:35

He's right beside the the main building of Arlington.

Jenn: 00:24:40

So when you walk into Arlington, the main building that has the

Jenn: 00:24:43

restrooms and the little, Visitor center, this set, he's in the next

Jenn: 00:24:48

section, rape recited to the left.

Jenn: 00:24:51

Very easy to walk to and very easy to find.

Jenn: 00:24:53

He's buried there with his wife, Mildred.

Jenn: 00:24:56

She's an army nurse.

Jenn: 00:24:57

They marry in January, 1942, and he retired from the army after the war.

Jenn: 00:25:03

They settled down in Pennsylvania and then they retired to Florida.

Jenn: 00:25:07

He dies on December 18th, 2002.

Jenn: 00:25:10

And so they're both at Arlington National Cemetery.

Jenn: 00:25:13

And we thank them both for their service.

Scott: 00:25:20

Now, the next person we're talking about here is not quite as

Scott: 00:25:25

much out there on him, but I believe he was, he was I don't know if he was

Scott: 00:25:30

part of the original Easy Company, but he is buried in Arlington and he

Scott: 00:25:33

did serve with, with Easy Company.

Jenn: 00:25:35

So Arthur Moserall there isn't a lot on him.

Jenn: 00:25:39

He's hard to find information on, but he is part of the original

Jenn: 00:25:43

and he's born in 1940, 1924.

Jenn: 00:25:48

So if he's making the jump in 1944, he's 20 years old.

Jenn: 00:25:52

So these guys are so young.

Jenn: 00:25:55

He's born in Maine and he was a paratrooper.

Jenn: 00:25:59

He marries Wanda.

Jenn: 00:26:00

Together they have Georgette and Hope.

Jenn: 00:26:02

He dies on June 11th, 1988 and he's buried in Arlington National Cemetery.

Scott: 00:26:07

And that's one of the things that I liked.

Scott: 00:26:09

About the miniseries overall was Obviously you have the central figures right the

Scott: 00:26:14

main characters that everybody knows But they are really a representation

Scott: 00:26:18

of everybody else that was there that wasn't written about that wasn't You

Scott: 00:26:24

know didn't have journals that they could be read and this that and the

Scott: 00:26:28

other so for soldiers like mazerol They are a representation because he

Scott: 00:26:33

was right there with them during the

Jenn: 00:26:35

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:26:35

He was like, it even says on his tombstone the 101st airborne.

Jenn: 00:26:39

I always like the ones that are simple.

Jenn: 00:26:42

Right?

Jenn: 00:26:42

So I appreciate that about it as well.

Jenn: 00:26:45

He's 63 years old when he dies, and he dies in Arlington, Virginia.

Jenn: 00:26:50

So he must have ended up there for his retirement, even though he is from

Jenn: 00:26:54

Maine, but he has looks like he has two daughters, Georgette and Hope.

Jenn: 00:26:58

And there's not much else on him.

Jenn: 00:27:01

But we want to recognize him as one of He's the company's 101st.

Scott: 00:27:10

Our next figure that we're about to talk about, actually, he was

Scott: 00:27:12

on the show, but he portrayed himself.

Scott: 00:27:14

So he was in some of the interviews.

Jenn: 00:27:17

Yeah, so Forrest Guth, they had planned to put him as a character

Jenn: 00:27:22

in the show, and they actually made a uniform, because I guess his

Jenn: 00:27:26

uniform was, more specific to him.

Jenn: 00:27:28

He put a lot of pockets on his uniform because I guess he liked

Jenn: 00:27:30

to have a lot of things on him, carry a lot of things on him.

Jenn: 00:27:33

And as most people know in the military, you can individualize your uniform

Jenn: 00:27:38

to a point, especially in combat.

Scott: 00:27:41

especially in combat, especially, I mean, when you're

Scott: 00:27:43

spending, years away from home, you're going to customize your stuff.

Jenn: 00:27:48

I mean, you can think about the SEALs do it all the time, even

Scott: 00:27:51

And he was interesting because not only did he have some kind of brief

Scott: 00:27:55

spots and interviews during the mini series, but he stuck around long enough

Scott: 00:27:59

that I actually found some, some other interviews done with him that I found

Scott: 00:28:04

on YouTube that I was able to cut into our video and him talking about, he must

Scott: 00:28:09

have been some sort of like engineer.

Scott: 00:28:11

He worked in an engineering plant because he, he, he talked about

Scott: 00:28:14

how he could have been deferred.

Scott: 00:28:16

he was working for.

Scott: 00:28:18

like a defense industry company, but then him and some of his

Scott: 00:28:23

friends in his hometown were like, you know what, we should join up.

Scott: 00:28:26

Let's go join the 101st Airborne, because I think they're getting paid

Scott: 00:28:29

50 bucks, 50 bucks more a month.

Scott: 00:28:31

So I'm, we're going to join up with

Jenn: 00:28:33

Yeah, he, he's very money driven, which at a young age, you would be he's

Jenn: 00:28:37

a part of the original guys in Georgia.

Jenn: 00:28:40

He's in Aldeborne, our video from there.

Jenn: 00:28:42

So he'll be there as well.

Jenn: 00:28:43

What his ability to do that makes him so special is he has this

Jenn: 00:28:47

ability to modify and repair weapons.

Jenn: 00:28:49

He was able to make his M1 rifle fully automatic.

Scott: 00:28:53

Really?

Scott: 00:28:53

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:28:54

So that's where his engineering brain comes in, and that's why he is

Jenn: 00:28:58

became the a member of the armor for their for his comrades, his uniform was unique.

Jenn: 00:29:04

He sold on the extra pockets to carry extra equipment and ammunition.

Scott: 00:29:07

And you said that he was one of two.

Scott: 00:29:10

The other was a character that was in the main series, was Shifty Powers

Scott: 00:29:14

who was like an expert sharpshooter.

Scott: 00:29:16

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:29:17

They were the only two got expert.

Jenn: 00:29:18

So if you, you and I both know if you see ribbons, and you get your

Jenn: 00:29:23

rifle qual and your pistol qual.

Jenn: 00:29:25

Sometimes you'll see an S on the ribbon, which means you're a sharpshooter,

Jenn: 00:29:29

but sometimes you'll see an E on the ribbon, which means you're an expert.

Scott: 00:29:33

Yeah.

Scott: 00:29:33

And, and typically, especially, in companies like this, if you got

Scott: 00:29:37

only two of your soldiers were, were expert, marksmen, they're

Scott: 00:29:41

going to be doing some of that work.

Scott: 00:29:43

Yeah.

Scott: 00:29:43

That was, you're going to jump in behind enemy lines and if

Scott: 00:29:45

you need a sharpshooter, you're going to grab your two experts.

Jenn: 00:29:49

And if you can make your weapon fully automatic, which means he doesn't

Jenn: 00:29:53

have to reload as quick To make your sharpshooter have an audit that it

Jenn: 00:29:57

just puts you ahead of the game.

Jenn: 00:29:58

So that's that's why he has the extra pockets.

Jenn: 00:30:01

When you think about he's carrying the extra equipment and doing things

Jenn: 00:30:03

like that, he made his first combat jump into Normandy on June 6th, 1944.

Scott: 00:30:08

If I remember correctly, he gets injured and I think he gets sent home.

Jenn: 00:30:13

was, he jumped into Operation Market Garden on September 17th, 1944.

Jenn: 00:30:17

And his, he was injured during the landing because of a parachute malfunction.

Jenn: 00:30:21

He's taken to an army hospital in England.

Jenn: 00:30:23

He rejoins Easy Company in France before they're transported to Bastogne and

Jenn: 00:30:30

to fight in the Battle of the Bulge.

Jenn: 00:30:31

So he is with

Scott: 00:30:32

So He comes back.

Scott: 00:30:33

Okay.

Jenn: 00:30:35

And he's selected for the patrol mission.

Jenn: 00:30:38

led by Sergeant Ken Mercer because of his German speaking ability.

Jenn: 00:30:43

And he won a 30 day furlough to return to the States.

Jenn: 00:30:46

And then the war ended before he could rejoin his unit.

Jenn: 00:30:49

So he just has a lot going for him.

Jenn: 00:30:52

He can speak German.

Scott: 00:30:53

It's got that engineering brain,

Jenn: 00:30:54

an engineering brain and he's a expert marksman.

Jenn: 00:30:57

So he re he enrolls in college when he's done.

Jenn: 00:31:01

He gets a master's degree.

Jenn: 00:31:03

He becomes a teacher in Norfolk, Virginia.

Scott: 00:31:05

is where we're recording

Jenn: 00:31:06

And that's where we're recording this.

Jenn: 00:31:07

And that's where he meets his wife, Harriet.

Jenn: 00:31:09

They married 1949.

Jenn: 00:31:11

They moved to Delaware.

Jenn: 00:31:12

He becomes an electronics teacher at high school there.

Jenn: 00:31:16

And then he dies in August in Delaware.

Jenn: 00:31:20

He does interpret the German at one point, but his role is replaced by another actor

Jenn: 00:31:25

in the episode Last Patrol, but that was him who really did that interpretation.

Jenn: 00:31:30

And we just want to honor him because it just goes to show you all these

Jenn: 00:31:36

skills you have that really can be helpful in war, speaking the

Jenn: 00:31:41

language, being a good marksman,

Scott: 00:31:45

Well, and, and to our point earlier, he was another misdrop, so he

Scott: 00:31:48

talks about in his later interview, it was, 60s or 70s, something like that,

Scott: 00:31:53

that got posted on YouTube about, he he's recounting his experience for D Day, and

Scott: 00:31:59

he's talking about seeing the tracers, he's talking about hearing bullets hitting

Scott: 00:32:03

the wings of his plane, watching another plane go down, and then he, he says that

Scott: 00:32:08

even he landed two miles from where he was supposed to meet with his company.

Scott: 00:32:13

And it was because these B 17 or whatever they were, whatever the

Scott: 00:32:17

aircraft were that they were flying, they were jumping out of the, the pilots

Scott: 00:32:21

were still relatively new as well.

Scott: 00:32:23

And so instead of going, much slower, they were going about twice the speed

Scott: 00:32:27

that they should have been flying.

Scott: 00:32:29

So they flew too far.

Scott: 00:32:30

So when the green light, went on and everybody jumps out of the plane.

Scott: 00:32:33

They're two miles, two miles away.

Jenn: 00:32:35

So that nervousness of war, right?

Jenn: 00:32:38

And so that's what he's talking about that.

Jenn: 00:32:40

Even though D Day was planned so, specifically that because

Jenn: 00:32:46

they went faster than I think they were supposed to go like 45

Scott: 00:32:50

He said 75 but they were doing one

Jenn: 00:32:52

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:32:53

So they went double 75 knots.

Jenn: 00:32:54

They went one 50.

Jenn: 00:32:55

And because of that, they landed two miles off course and to land two miles

Jenn: 00:32:58

off course as an individual with no protection and then trying to find the

Jenn: 00:33:03

rest of your crew, which he does, but.

Jenn: 00:33:05

to go two miles in enemy territory, which all the pockets with all the

Jenn: 00:33:11

ammunition on him, which means it's heavier, which means he's gonna have to,

Jenn: 00:33:14

it's almost like rucking at that point.

Jenn: 00:33:16

But he does it.

Jenn: 00:33:17

So he talks about that.

Jenn: 00:33:18

So I just think he's It's just an unsung hero.

Jenn: 00:33:22

Again, that skill set that comes into play.

Jenn: 00:33:24

And then to live in Norfolk, Virginia.

Jenn: 00:33:27

I think I, I shout that out in the video since we're here as

Scott: 00:33:30

Yeah, you definitely do.

Scott: 00:33:31

Now, the last person that, that we covered for this video was, goes by

Scott: 00:33:36

the last name of Taylor and that he was interesting because he was

Scott: 00:33:45

an NCO if I remember correctly.

Scott: 00:33:47

And I, I believe you even had mentioned that he had taken part in the when

Scott: 00:33:52

the NCOs went to the colonel said, Hey, we're not gonna follow Sobel

Scott: 00:33:54

. he as a person wasn't really portrayed in the show.

Scott: 00:33:58

But he was one of those NCOs.

Scott: 00:34:00

He

Jenn: 00:34:00

So we're talking about tech tech Sergeant Amos Buck Taylor.

Jenn: 00:34:03

Now I want to reiterate these last couple of graves are all in section 60.

Jenn: 00:34:08

So there's really only three sections you have to go to

Jenn: 00:34:11

in Arlington to see them all.

Jenn: 00:34:12

Like I said, Blythe is by Robert Todd Strayer is right.

Jenn: 00:34:17

Right to the left.

Jenn: 00:34:18

I think it's section 54 and then section 60 is these last three which is again

Jenn: 00:34:23

60 is one of our most visited sections.

Jenn: 00:34:25

It's a large section.

Jenn: 00:34:26

It's an active section.

Jenn: 00:34:28

It's a more recent section.

Jenn: 00:34:29

So if you're out in section 60, more than likely you are going

Jenn: 00:34:32

to see people visiting graves.

Jenn: 00:34:34

And that's what Taylor is as well, but he is an NCO of Easy Company.

Jenn: 00:34:38

And he is a part of the original 140 men.

Jenn: 00:34:43

His life story is featured in a 2009 book.

Jenn: 00:34:46

We who are alive and remain the untold stories of band of brothers, because

Jenn: 00:34:51

he is part of this whole original group he has this interaction with Sobel.

Jenn: 00:35:00

Because he goes AWOL from the training at Fort Benning.

Jenn: 00:35:03

He goes AWOL to meet his, to meet Elaine, who he later will marry and his

Jenn: 00:35:08

three day pass is canceled by Sobel.

Jenn: 00:35:10

And He will marry her, and he was supposed to marry her then, but

Jenn: 00:35:15

his 3 day pass gets cancelled, and then he has to marry her later, and

Jenn: 00:35:19

then He has opinions about Sobol.

Jenn: 00:35:21

He says that he was, he never hated him.

Jenn: 00:35:23

He thought he could be unfair and he could not be trusted for battle situations.

Jenn: 00:35:29

And because of that, he's one of the NCOs that participate in the mutiny in England.

Jenn: 00:35:35

So he is depicted in the show as just one of the characters, but he

Jenn: 00:35:39

doesn't really have a distinct name and everything like that, but just

Jenn: 00:35:44

know that he's one of those guys.

Jenn: 00:35:46

He does make the initial jump, his first combat jump on D Day.

Jenn: 00:35:49

He's one of the misdrops.

Jenn: 00:35:51

He finds the other three after landing and then they join their

Jenn: 00:35:54

own unit three or four days later.

Jenn: 00:35:56

He's wounded after the battle of Keraton.

Jenn: 00:35:59

He's evacuated to hospital in England.

Jenn: 00:36:01

That's where he lost his camera that he brought with him to

Jenn: 00:36:03

Normandy, which is too bad.

Jenn: 00:36:06

In and September of 1944, he makes another jump for Operation Market

Jenn: 00:36:10

Garden, which eventually failed.

Jenn: 00:36:14

He's a company that's defending the island.

Jenn: 00:36:15

He participates in Operation Pegasus in October of 1944 and After

Jenn: 00:36:22

easy company has been relieved.

Jenn: 00:36:24

He gets involved in a traffic accident.

Jenn: 00:36:27

He fought in the Battle of the Bulge It's him and another man who find and kill the

Jenn: 00:36:31

German soldier that shot Walter Gordon.

Jenn: 00:36:34

And in January 1945, Taylor shot in the leg and sent to an aid station.

Jenn: 00:36:39

That wound was serious and he spent 11 months in the hospital and then

Jenn: 00:36:43

he is discharged from the hospital.

Jenn: 00:36:45

Army.

Jenn: 00:36:46

He marries Elaine in 1945 while still at the rehab hospital.

Jenn: 00:36:50

Her dress, which I love is made from Taylor's white silk reserve chute.

Jenn: 00:36:57

So I love a couple women did this.

Jenn: 00:37:01

They would make their wedding dresses from that white reserve chute.

Jenn: 00:37:04

So their second chute is made of that white silk and because

Jenn: 00:37:08

silk was difficult to get.

Jenn: 00:37:09

during the war.

Jenn: 00:37:10

It's one of those ration materials.

Jenn: 00:37:13

Women didn't have this material available to them to make their wedding dresses.

Jenn: 00:37:17

So she makes her wedding dress from his reserve chute, which

Jenn: 00:37:20

I think is just so beautiful.

Scott: 00:37:22

I thought it was really cool.

Scott: 00:37:23

You called that out in the video.

Jenn: 00:37:24

He's discharged in December and he works for the VA.

Jenn: 00:37:26

He joins the CIA.

Jenn: 00:37:28

He spends 25 years with the CIA so we don't know what he did.

Jenn: 00:37:34

They live in Sewell's Point for 30 years.

Jenn: 00:37:36

They moved to Orange City in 2010 and then he passes away in

Jenn: 00:37:40

2011, 18 days after his wife.

Jenn: 00:37:44

So I mentioned that too in the video.

Jenn: 00:37:46

So he's just one of those characters that I almost don't know if he's not

Jenn: 00:37:52

depicted because of his work with the CIA

Scott: 00:37:55

Oh, interesting.

Jenn: 00:37:56

he's important and he did some important things that could It could

Jenn: 00:38:00

be played by a character, but because of his work with the CIA, it's almost

Jenn: 00:38:06

like maybe you shouldn't focus on me and my life just so people aren't

Jenn: 00:38:11

digging more into my background.

Jenn: 00:38:14

It seems I don't know, I'm just, we have friends that kind of work in that

Jenn: 00:38:18

area and it seems the longer they work in that area, the more they pull their

Jenn: 00:38:23

social media stuff or their life away.

Jenn: 00:38:26

Okay.

Jenn: 00:38:26

So I wonder about that.

Jenn: 00:38:28

that a little bit.

Jenn: 00:38:29

But I just think he's awesome.

Jenn: 00:38:31

And we just wanted to remember him.

Jenn: 00:38:33

So those are the five men from Easy Company that are in

Jenn: 00:38:38

Arlington National Cemetery.

Jenn: 00:38:39

So if you wanted to visit them, they are a very easy group of men to visit.

Jenn: 00:38:45

You could do it on one day, you could do it as you go Tomb of

Jenn: 00:38:49

the Unknown and Robert Kennedy.

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Those are what people usually see when they go to Arlington.

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And you can see the five band of brothers as well, which

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would be relatively easy to do.

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So it was an honor for us to do it.

Jenn: 00:39:01

I think it's awesome to remember them and remember the series and

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the series, it always goes up and down with its popularity.

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And I think it, as masters of the air come out, people revisit band of brothers.

Jenn: 00:39:16

So it's just was awesome for us to be there.

Scott: 00:39:26

Well that brings us to the end of our visit

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. to Arlington National Cemetery and our exploration of the lives of the Easy

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Company soldiers laid to rest there.

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Their bravery and sacrifice during World War II helped shape

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the world we live in today.

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Their stories serve as a powerful reminder of the resilience of the human spirit

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in the face of unimaginable adversity.

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Before you go, I want to leave you with a thought.

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Easy Company wasn't just a military unit, it was a brotherhood.

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These men fought for each other.

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relied on each other, and formed an enduring bond that transcended war.

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Their unwavering loyalty and commitment to one another is a message

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that continues to resonate today.

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So let's honor their memory, not just by remembering their wartime achievements,

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but also by carrying forward that spirit of camaraderie in our own lives.

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