Episode 122
Vicksburg History Beyond the Battlefield
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Hosts Scott and Jennifer dive into the fascinating history of Vicksburg, Mississippi. The discussion starts with the town's founding by Newitt Vick in the early 19th century, its rapid growth as a river port, and its significant role during the Civil War. Highlights include Vicksburg's distinction as the first place where Coca-Cola was bottled, the origin of the teddy bear nickname from Theodore Roosevelt's hunting trip, and the devastating Sultana steamboat disaster. The episode also touches on lesser-known yet intriguing historic sites like the Anchuca mansion and McRaven house, along with modern attractions such as the Vicksburg waterfront murals and the Coca-Cola Museum.
🎥 Traveling to Vicksburg video
🎥 Inside the Civil War Confederate White House
📍 Historic Vicksburg Map Locations
00:00 The Vision of Newt Vick: Founding of Vicksburg
01:36 Introduction to Talk with History Podcast
01:54 Listener Shoutouts and Podcast Growth
02:23 Exploring Vicksburg: Beyond the Battlefield
03:18 Discovering Downtown Vicksburg
05:03 Historical Murals and Teddy Roosevelt's Bear Hunt
07:42 The Sultana Disaster: A Forgotten Tragedy
10:30 Jefferson Davis and His Vicksburg Connection
14:16 Haunted Vicksburg: The McRaven House
16:56 Coca-Cola's Bottling History in Vicksburg
19:09 Additional Attractions and Final Thoughts
21:31 Conclusion: Vicksburg's Rich Historical Tapestry
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Transcript
In 1811, Newitt Vick, a Methodist minister from Virginia, purchased a large
Scott:tract of land in the Mississippi area.
Scott:thriving
Scott:Vick saw the potential for a thriving river port and began to plan a town.
Scott:He envisioned a bustling community that would serve as a vital link
Scott:between the Mississippi River and the fertile interior of the state.
Scott:didn't Tragically, Newadvick didn't live to see his dream realized.
Scott:He fell victim to yellow fever in 1819, just as his plans
Scott:were beginning to take shape.
Scott:However, his family, particularly his son in law, John Lane, carried on his vision.
Scott:The town was officially established in 1825 and named
Scott:Vicksburg in honor of its founder.
Scott:Its location on a high bluff overlooking the Mississippi River proved to be ideal.
Scott:The natural defenses provided by the terrain combined with the easy access
Scott:to river trade quickly made Vicksburg an important commercial center.
Scott:the As steamboats began to ply the waters of the Mississippi with increasing
Scott:frequency, Vicksburg grew rapidly.
Scott:Cotton planters from the surrounding region recognized the town's value as
Scott:a shipping point, and soon Vicksburg was handling a significant portion
Scott:of Mississippi's cotton exports.
Scott:The founding of Vicksburg is a testament to the foresight of Newitt Vick and the
Scott:determination of those who followed him.
Scott:From its humble beginnings, the city would go on to play a crucial role
Scott:in American history, particularly during the Civil War, cementing its
Scott:place in the nation's narrative.
Scott:Welcome to Talk with History.
Scott:I'm your host, Scott, here with my wife and historian,
Jenn:Hello.
Jenn:Hello.
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Scott:plan on visiting places like Vicksburg.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So if you're like me and you're driving somewhere and you're like,
Jenn:Oh, is there a podcast about that?
Jenn:So I can know what to see before I get there.
Jenn:I would have loved one about Vicksburg because we stumbled upon
Jenn:some really awesome things and it would have been nice to know those
Jenn:were there even before we had set
Scott:Yeah, I was very impressed.
Scott:surprised at the different spots that Vicksburg outside
Scott:of the battlefield, right?
Scott:Because we kind of spent two days there.
Scott:I was surprised at how much history there was just in the city itself,
Scott:regardless of the actual battlefield, which everybody knows it for.
Scott:But there was a lot of history that happened there.
Jenn:Absolutely.
Jenn:And we will do a battlefield podcast.
Jenn:So if you're looking for specific Vicksburg battlefield information,
Jenn:that's going to be on a separate podcast, but we are going to cover that.
Jenn:But if you want to listen to this, if you're visiting the.
Jenn:city.
Jenn:And you're like, I have more time than just going to the battlefield.
Jenn:This is what this is for you.
Jenn:So we get to Vicksburg and Scott is super, super smart.
Jenn:I have to say he looks up like a downtown area because we get there
Jenn:kind of late and we have the kids and we want to let them out and play.
Jenn:So he looks up a playground.
Jenn:And when we get to downtown Vicksburg, it is Amazing.
Jenn:They have these murals painted along the river of the history of Vicksburg,
Jenn:and they have these great play areas that look like old steamboats, where the
Jenn:kids could play and have a great time.
Jenn:It was blasting like jazz music.
Scott:really cool.
Scott:And like the sun was setting, it was beautiful.
Scott:And if you watch our video on this, like I flew my drone real quick to
Scott:kind of get some cool drone shots.
Scott:we got down there and we were just kind of trying to get out of the car because
Scott:we didn't want to go to the Airbnb yet.
Scott:And so I looked up a playground and kind of thought a lot of times cities will
Scott:have playgrounds near their commercial centers or near a touristy area.
Scott:And this was right on the waterfront.
Scott:Yeah.
Jenn:It was so cool.
Jenn:Amazing.
Jenn:They downtown Vicksburg, it's, they say it's, it's vibrant
Jenn:and charming and walkable.
Jenn:It's all of those things, but it was very like uniquely Southern and it was
Jenn:just a really beautiful place to be.
Jenn:And I recommend going down there in the evening, in the morning when
Jenn:it's a little cooler, especially in the summer months, like with us.
Jenn:Now, what you're going to see the waterfront there is the Yazoo River.
Jenn:In the time of the Civil War, that was the Mississippi River.
Jenn:The Mississippi River has changed course, and now it just has an
Jenn:inlet now to the Mississippi there.
Jenn:But that used to be the course of the Mississippi River.
Jenn:So if you want to go out and stand on that riverfront, that
Jenn:is what the steamboats went down.
Jenn:That's what the ironclads went down, the timberclads.
Jenn:But when we got down there to downtown Vicksburg, it walks you through the
Jenn:history of Vicksburg with these murals and it tells you just some really
Jenn:unique, fun history about Vicksburg.
Jenn:Things that I didn't know Teddy Roosevelt and he had come down to Vicksburg He
Jenn:was like 25 miles north of Vicksburg for a four day bear hunt and a hunter had
Jenn:went out before him and Scouted a bear.
Jenn:It was an older bear who was kind of injured and he had tied it to a tree
Jenn:Waiting for the president to come so the president could easily kill it and when
Jenn:Roosevelt arrived he couldn't shoot this defenseless injured bear and political
Jenn:cartoonists drew Roosevelt getting to this poor defenseless bear and he called
Jenn:it drawing the line in Mississippi toy manufacturers started producing teddy
Jenn:bears in response to this, like in honor of Roosevelt for not killing the bear.
Jenn:And so that is something that's such a part of Americana, the teddy
Jenn:bear, you see teddy bears everywhere and people have owned some sort
Jenn:of teddy bear in their lifetime,
Scott:and I have a feeling too, because I'm pretty sure we've watched what is
Scott:it, Antiques Roadshow, and, there was teddy bear figures made before 1902.
Scott:I think some of the famous ones we always see on Antiques
Scott:Roadshow is the stife ones, right?
Scott:So they're probably in the late 1800s, but I think this is where the nickname,
Scott:the moniker of Quote unquote teddy bear kind of really had its roots and I
Scott:thought that was so neat because these murals did such a good job And so this
Scott:again if you go watch the video we'll kind of show you the locations and we'll
Scott:show you these murals, but it's teddy roosevelt sitting on a horse with his
Scott:whole entourage that's how the press heard about it because he's the president he's
Scott:traveling with an entourage And there's this bear just kind of looking up and
Scott:teddy roosevelt's kind of looking out at you from the mural and then learning
Scott:about Why this was there because it happened right there outside of Vicksburg.
Jenn:Yeah, and what's really neat about each of these murals is they
Jenn:have kind of like a historic marker right in front of them that is in
Jenn:bronze that kind of tells you the whole history of the mural as you look at it.
Jenn:One another one that I thought was neat, they have about
Jenn:eight or nine historic markers.
Jenn:Like actually at that downtown commemorating different ships, different
Jenn:times in history, some to the Civil War, the first shots fired, the
Jenn:first ship that was sank during the Civil War, iron clads, timber clads.
Jenn:But one of the ones I thought that was very interesting was the Sultana.
Scott:this was an interesting story, and you told it in a good way on the video.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So what's interesting about the Sultana is it actually sinks in Memphis.
Jenn:And we know it here in Memphis has a little museum to it, but it's the biggest
Jenn:maritime disaster in American history.
Scott:was like a kind of classic steam paddleboat type ship,
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:Just a side wheel steamboat.
Jenn:And it sank on the Mississippi river, April 27th, 1865,
Jenn:killing more than 1500 people.
Jenn:What's significant about Vicksburg is Vicksburg is where it was loaded up.
Jenn:The captain was approached by a quartermaster at
Jenn:Vicksburg with a proposal.
Jenn:Thousands of recently released Union prisoners of war who were held in
Jenn:these confederate prison camps had been brought to Vicksburg and they were
Jenn:awaiting release to the Northern States.
Jenn:And he was going to pay like a big sum of money, I think like
Jenn:3 per enlisted, 8 per officer.
Jenn:to take him up north.
Jenn:Now this ship is only supposed to hold about 300 people and he ends up
Jenn:loading on again like 2, 000 people.
Jenn:So if you imagine a steamboat, it's very top heavy anyway, and when you get
Jenn:all that weight on it rocks, so if It made it from Vicksburg up to Memphis.
Jenn:And then at Memphis is where it really starts rocking.
Jenn:And these boilers get super hot with the rock.
Jenn:And when it leans to the other side, they explode.
Jenn:And so these 1500 men go into the water and they die because
Jenn:they're weak and they haven't been, they're just prisoners of war.
Jenn:And so it's this big, It's a huge maritime disaster.
Jenn:All these men are killed, but no one knows about it because another really
Jenn:famous man was killed the day before.
Jenn:And that was John Wilkes Booth.
Jenn:And that filled the headlines of newspapers.
Jenn:So no one knows about the Sultana, but they had a marker there in
Jenn:Vicksburg to that loading of those men.
Jenn:And then we'll do another story about what happened in Memphis and we'll
Jenn:actually take you to a grave site where most of those men are buried.
Scott:Yeah, and there's a whole mural there.
Scott:I actually read when I was prepping for the podcast that there are more
Scott:men who died in the Sultana accident than who died on the Titanic.
Jenn:Yeah, that's, the biggest maritime disaster in history.
Jenn:It's like
Scott:it's, it's one of those ones you hear about it, you're like, wait, what?
Scott:How?
Scott:How is this not something that I knew about?
Scott:More people died in that accident than died on, on the Titanic.
Scott:And it was buried, essentially, because it was the same day that John
Scott:Wilkes Booth was hunted down and shot.
Scott:So it was really fascinating.
Scott:If you get to Vicksburg, I highly recommend going down to the waterfront
Scott:and seeing these murals if you're going to do one or two things.
Scott:We're going to talk about a couple more, but there's so many, you can
Scott:just kind of spend like probably a good hour easily just kind of walking
Scott:and reading and looking at the murals.
Scott:It's quite fascinating.
Jenn:one of the things I didn't realize was how much Jefferson
Jenn:Davis was from Vicksburg.
Scott:He's from the area.
Jenn:Yeah, I had no idea.
Jenn:And, There's a mural to him and I was reading it and I'm like, oh, oh my gosh
Jenn:So Jefferson Davis, not only is he, he he's the confederate president During
Jenn:the Civil War, but he had his plantation right outside of Vicksburg Just a few
Jenn:miles outside of Vicksburg and when he receives the news that he's been
Jenn:elected president of the Confederacy.
Jenn:Mississippi is one of the first states to secede from the Union.
Jenn:And so he leaves there to go get sworn in as president.
Jenn:But I had no idea.
Jenn:I was like, I'm looking at this mural and it shows him at his plantation
Jenn:getting the news and he's there with his wife, Rina and his children.
Jenn:Now we've covered Jefferson Davis before because we did
Jenn:his home in Richmond, Virginia,
Scott:Yeah, we actually got a great comment on that white
Scott:house of the Confederacy video, right from, from Richmond.
Scott:Someone watched that video.
Scott:Cause we go inside and we actually take you in there and we show you.
Scott:It's when we started getting better at our videos.
Scott:I started getting a little bit better with.
Scott:b roll shooting and stuff like that and so we go inside and it was
Scott:really cool and we got a really nice comment someone said it was one of
Scott:their favorite videos on that topic
Jenn:yeah, it's a very interesting place.
Jenn:The White House of the Confederacy.
Jenn:This is where Jefferson Davis will live.
Jenn:during his time as president of the Confederacy is in Richmond, Virginia.
Jenn:He learns of his selection there at Vicksburg.
Jenn:And there's a mural to that.
Jenn:But like I said, you can walk along these murals.
Jenn:They're just fantastic.
Jenn:They tell you there's so much more history, I'm not going to tell you.
Jenn:touch here, something about the the most played melodrama in history.
Jenn:It's from Vicksburg.
Jenn:There's there's a lot of musicians, especially blues musicians from Vicksburg.
Jenn:There's just a lot of great history along those murals.
Jenn:But speaking of Jefferson Davis.
Jenn:We went to this house, and it's right down the road from the original marker
Jenn:of Vicksburg, and it's called Achuca.
Jenn:And it's an antebellum home built in the late 1820s.
Jenn:And it's where Jefferson Davis will go after he's pardoned
Jenn:in 1868 by President Johnson.
Scott:that was like christmas day like he issued he issued his
Scott:pardon on christmas day to basically all of the men who participated
Scott:in the rebellion in the civil war
Jenn:exactly.
Jenn:it was kind of a forgiveness.
Jenn:giving and reconciliation moment for President Johnson.
Jenn:He's the president after Lincoln, and he's trying to have
Jenn:some healing for the nation.
Jenn:So he pardons everybody involved in the rebellion.
Jenn:And Jefferson Davis is held in prison.
Jenn:We've been there.
Jenn:If you want to see what Jefferson Davis's cell was.
Scott:Monroe in Virginia.
Jenn:And so we have a whole video on that.
Jenn:But He comes back to Vicksburg, and he comes back to the home of his brother,
Jenn:Joseph, who is right along that main road into this Greek style home called Anchuca,
Jenn:which means a happy place in the Chickasaw language, which is the Native Americans
Jenn:of the area and he goes up onto the balcony and they say that's where he gives
Jenn:his last public address to the people.
Jenn:It's from that balcony.
Jenn:So I stand in front of it.
Jenn:I show you now the people of Achuca.
Jenn:It's, it's open for business.
Jenn:And they saw that video on Instagram and they would just love to have
Jenn:more people come out and see it.
Jenn:It is a very neat place.
Jenn:It's open for dining.
Scott:I think we probably would have done that had we known, you could go
Scott:eat dinner there or something like that.
Jenn:Yeah, they have dinner and they have brunch.
Jenn:So it's just a great place.
Jenn:It's, full service and you can really have a good Southern meal in the
Jenn:same place that Jefferson Davis ate,
Jenn:And so there's another kind of famous home in Vicksburg, the McRaven house.
Jenn:they claim it's the most haunted house in Mississippi.
Scott:the whole state.
Jenn:In the whole state, which it's an old state and it's, I
Jenn:would say there's a lot of traumas that have happened in that state.
Jenn:So for this house to claim to be the most haunted, to hold onto that
Jenn:emotional trauma, it's very interesting.
Jenn:They have had.
Jenn:Ghost hunters, they're famous ghost hunters.
Jenn:If you're a ghost hunter enthusiast and to watch some of those shows
Jenn:They have had some people from those shows go to that house.
Jenn:So the McRaven house was built in 1797 So it's very old and it was
Jenn:built by an Andrew Glass At the time the house was called Walnut
Jenn:Hills and He was a highwayman.
Jenn:So we talk about the Natchez Trace, which was a famous trail for people
Jenn:to travel from Natchez, Mississippi up to Nashville and basically will
Jenn:take you all the way up north into the more populated areas of America at the
Jenn:time But highwaymen were people who would rob people along those trails
Jenn:You hear about them in London and in France, and we had
Jenn:them in America as well.
Jenn:so he would rob people then come back to his house and
Jenn:kind of look at his treasures.
Jenn:Eventually, he's killed by his wife and they say he haunts McRaven house.
Jenn:Now it's had other things happen there as well.
Jenn:In 1838 there was a sheriff that owned McRaven house and he had a young bride
Jenn:who dies in childbirth in the house and other people have owned the house.
Jenn:They have also died in the house.
Jenn:And it was used as a confederate hospital during the siege of Vicksburg.
Jenn:So there were men not only in the house, but out among the yard in
Jenn:makeshift tents who were dying.
Scott:So you get you kind of do you sense the theme here?
Scott:There's been a lot of death around this house And so you can kind of guess as to
Scott:why people would say this is one of the most haunted houses in all of Mississippi
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And those ghost hunters, they claim to have contacted the ghost of Andrew Glass,
Jenn:who is the aggressive ghost of the house.
Jenn:But McRaven house is also open for you to dine and to tour.
Jenn:And so it's another place if you're looking for something
Jenn:fun to do in Vicksburg and you're into that sort of thing.
Jenn:It used to be on McRaven road and that's why it has the name McRaven
Jenn:house, but that's no longer the road.
Jenn:It's now 1503 Harrison street, but you can tell it's the original area of Vicksburg.
Scott:Now one of the things that I liked and I don't know if this
Scott:is what you were gonna move on to next was more of the downtown with
Scott:some, some modern day ties, right?
Scott:And this was the Coca Cola memorabilia museum.
Scott:I had not even thought to think of something like that.
Scott:And you said, Oh, there's a Coca Cola museum.
Scott:I was like, why is there a Coca Cola museum here?
Scott:And it was because the very first bottle of Coke was bottled there in Vicksburg.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:How interesting is
Scott:It's crazy.
Jenn:So Coca Cola is invented in, as we all know, in Georgia.
Jenn:And it is invented by a confederate.
Scott:think that's where the big museum is.
Jenn:It's what the big museum is.
Jenn:And in 1894, the owner of the downtown Vicksburg candy shop Benningham
Scott:Bite and harn.
Jenn:He decides to bottle this for his rural customers.
Jenn:So Vicksburg is not only like a rural area, but they're on the Mississippi.
Jenn:So you can imagine they can get to people easily.
Jenn:That's the main.
Jenn:It's a good transportation hub.
Jenn:And so he feels like if I could bottle this fountain drink for my customers,
Jenn:it would be really great for business because Coca Cola time is thought of
Jenn:as more than just a refreshing drink.
Jenn:They use it for medicine and to calm the stomach and things like that.
Jenn:So Coca Cola gives them the okay, gives them the recipe and they're
Jenn:the very first people to bottle it.
Jenn:Now, this is downtown Vicksburg.
Jenn:This is not along the waterfront where the murals are.
Jenn:This is like the main street.
Jenn:So it's 1107 Washington Street.
Jenn:And you can tell there's cool kind of ghost writing on big buildings
Jenn:there from the times when this was probably happening in the 1800s.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And I'll put a link in the show notes.
Scott:So I, when we go to these locations, I try to be good about kind of marking
Scott:each spot and kind of collecting it as like a Google map kind of folder.
Scott:So I'll actually, I'll put a link and if you click on this Google
Scott:maps link, it'll show you all of the spots that I saved, whether it's the
Scott:waterfront murals, the Coca Cola museum.
Scott:The different houses and you can click on it.
Scott:It'll open up your Google maps app, and then it'll show you
Scott:all these places to be visited.
Scott:So if you are going down there and you're listening to this on the way
Scott:down, look in the show notes of this podcast episode, click on that Google
Scott:maps link, and then automatically you have all these spots just ready to go
Jenn:Absolutely.
Jenn:And two places we really didn't get to see, but I want to touch on them is rape.
Jenn:Well, three actually right beside the Coca Cola museum is a awesome little park and
Jenn:it says Vicksburg and it has 200 and has a great place where you can put your phone
Jenn:and you can stand by the sign and click.
Jenn:There's also a great maritime museum and it's made from an old steamboat
Jenn:that they've dry docked and they've retrofitted and you can go visit this
Jenn:museum to the history of the Mississippi and the different boats and the people
Jenn:who have worked along that river.
Jenn:And then there's also a little Civil War museum along that
Jenn:street that I hear has some really great relics and things in there.
Jenn:it's not well known, but it's really cool from what I hear.
Jenn:So that's another place we didn't get to visit, but it's
Jenn:all along that main street.
Scott:and that main street where the Coca Cola Museum is, where the Vicksburg Park
Scott:is and the museums, it's literally like two blocks from the riverfront murals.
Jenn:Yeah, you could walk up there.
Jenn:I mean, you can see the riverfront murals and there's an old courthouse there
Jenn:that used to be the original courthouse.
Jenn:That's where Grant is going to his famous picture.
Jenn:He comes after they've sieged Vicksburg and they've won.
Jenn:That courthouse is also now a museum.
Jenn:So it's just a really great city.
Jenn:It has so much history.
Jenn:It was great for the kids.
Jenn:they loved playing downtown.
Jenn:It was beautiful.
Jenn:I felt safe there.
Jenn:great food, great Southern hospitality.
Jenn:I would definitely recommend if you're going to visit, spend two days,
Jenn:definitely one day for the battlefield.
Jenn:Do you want to see that the civil war battlefield there?
Jenn:That's the key to the South.
Jenn:And then another day.
Jenn:for the actual city.
Jenn:Walk with History had a wonderful time.
Jenn:We hope if you're driving there right now or if you're going that we've given
Jenn:you some good ideas and places to see.
Jenn:And please let us know what you thought about your visit to Vicksburg.
Scott:Yeah, it was super fun and it very much made Vicksburg more
Scott:to me than just the battlefield.
Scott:Some of these cities and towns kind of become only the battlefield.
Scott:For especially for American Civil War stuff, but to me, it's a little
Scott:bit akin to Gettysburg because you can do the battlefield for an
Scott:entire day, if not more, because there's a lot to do over there.
Scott:And we'll talk about that on another episode coming up, but then there's
Scott:plenty to do in the town and in the city.
Scott:So it was really neat.
Scott:As we wrap up our journey through Vicksburg history, it's worth noting
Scott:that these fascinating tidbits that make this city truly unique.
Scott:Before you listen to this podcast, you may not have known that Vicksburg was
Scott:the site of the first bottling of Coca Cola in 1894, or that the beloved teddy
Scott:bear got its name from an incident involving Theodore Roosevelt during
Scott:a hunting trip near the area in 1902.
Scott:These little known facts add an extra layer of intrigue to the city's
Scott:already rich historical tapestry.
Scott:When you chat with your fellow history fans, remember that Vicksburg
Scott:history isn't all lighthearted.
Scott:The city was the scene of the worst maritime disaster in U.
Scott:S.
Scott:history when the steamboat Sultana exploded not too far
Scott:from its shores in 1865, claiming more lives than the Titanic.
Scott:During the Civil War, Vicksburg earned the nickname Gibraltar of the Confederacy
Scott:due to its strategic importance.
Scott:Interestingly, the city didn't celebrate Independence Day for 81
Scott:years after the Civil War, only resuming the tradition in 1945.
Scott:These captivating historical nuggets showcase why Vicksburg
Scott:continues to fascinate history buffs and casual learners alike.
Scott:When you visit Vicksburg, make sure you take the time to get beyond the
Scott:battlefield to these fascinating and important historical sites.
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