The End of John Wilkes Booth at the Garrett Farm

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I do know a lot of those similarities.

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I know, Kennedy was assassinated and Johnson became president.

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Lincoln was assassinated.

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Johnson became president.

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Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln.

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Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy.

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There was a lot of these similarities.

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They were both with their wives at the time.

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Booth's day began in the dining room of the National, where he was seen

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eating breakfast with Miss Carrie Bean.

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Nothing unusual about that.

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Booth, a voluptuous connoisseur of young women, never had

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trouble finding female company.

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Around noon, he walked over to Ford's Theatre on 10th Street.

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Between E and F, a block above Pennsylvania Avenue to pick up his mail.

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Accepting correspondence on behalf of itinerant actors was a customary privilege

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Ford's offered to friends of the house.

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Earlier that morning, Henry Clay Ford, one of the three brothers who ran

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the theater, ate breakfast and then walked to the big marble post office

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at 7th and F and picked up the mail.

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There was a letter for Booth.

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That morning, another letter arrived at the theater.

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There had been no time to mail it, so its sender, Mary Lincoln, used

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the president's messenger to bypass the post office and hand deliver it.

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The Fords did not even have to read the note to know the good news it contained.

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The mere arrival of the White House messenger told them that

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the president was coming tonight.

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It was a coup against their chief rival, Grover's Theater, which was

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offering a more exciting entertainment, Aladdin or His Wonderful Lamp.

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Master Tad Lincoln and his chaperone would represent the family there.

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The letter, once opened, announced even greater news.

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Yes, the president and Mrs.

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Lincoln would attend this evening's performance of Tom Taylor's popular,

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if tired, comedy, Our American Cousin.

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But the big news was that General Ulysses S.

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Grant was coming with them.

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The Lincolns timing delighted the Fords.

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Good Friday was traditionally a slow night, and news that not only

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the president, after four years, a familiar sight to Washingtonians, but

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also General Grant, a rare visitor to town, Appomattox, would attend.

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was sure to spur ticket sales.

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This would please Laura Keene, who was making her 1, 000th

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performance in the play.

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Tonight's show was a customary benefit, awarding her a rich share of the proceeds.

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The Lincolns had given the Fords the courtesy of notification early enough

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in the day for the brothers to promote their appearance and to decorate and join

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together the two boxes, seven and eight.

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That, by removal of a simple partition, formed the President's box.

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By the time Booth arrived at Ford's, the President's messenger had come and gone.

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Sometime between noon and 1230 p.

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m., as he sat outside on the top step in front of the main entrance

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to Ford's reading his letter, Booth heard the galvanizing news.

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In just eight hours, the subject of all his brooding, hating, and

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plotting would stand on the very stone steps where he now sat.

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This was the catalyst Booth needed to prompt him to action, here.

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Of all places, Lincoln was coming here.

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Booth knew the layout of Ford's intimately, the exact spot on 10th Street

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where Lincoln would step out of his carriage, the place the president sat

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every time he came to the theater, the route through the theater that Lincoln

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would walk, and the staircase he would ascend to the box, the dark subterranean

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passageway beneath the stage, the narrow hallway behind the stage that

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led to the back door that opened to Baptist Alley, and how the president's

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box hung directly above the stage.

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All right, Jen, we, just for folks who don't know, we just

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moved and we are recording in our new, we're calling it our studio.

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So we just moved from Virginia to Tennessee.

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We are living in the greater Memphis area now, and we're pretty

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excited to record this particular episode in our brand new studio.

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Yeah, it's kind of, fitting to be here and recording this episode,

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especially since we made this.

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Video like the week the Packers came.

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It was so important for us to make this video because to realize how important

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this person was and so close to where we lived in Virginia to visit their grave

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before we moved all the way to Tennessee.

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It was important to get this video dense.

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Yeah.

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Now that intro that I gave earlier was an excerpt from the 2007 book,

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Manhunt, the 12 day chase for Lincoln's killer by author James L.

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Swanson.

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But before we dive into the video and the topic, I want to say thank you to Bill

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Sisser, who wrote in, he shot us an email, and he wrote I've recently come across

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your podcast channel, and after listening to the first few episodes, I came across

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the one on the Lincoln assassination.

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It reminded me of a book that I read in high school around 80 or 81 that compared

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the Lincoln and Kennedy assassinations.

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I looked through the list of your podcasts, I'd Don't think I saw one

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with that subject reading that book Started my interest in history and

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reading also I hope that you could look at all the similarities between

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the two stories and do an in depth podcast on them I enjoy your in depth

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podcasts and will continue to listen.

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Thank you Now I just thought that was an interesting Thing and I didn't

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know if you had ever heard of books of kind of comparing assassinations like

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So it's interesting you say that.

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As we were driving out to Tennessee, we stopped at your dad's.

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He's about halfway

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in outside Nashville

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and we went thrifting.

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And as we were thrifting, I found a picture that someone had made.

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It was their own, but they had compared the Lincoln assassination with the Kennedy

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assassination and they had put the two comparisons side by side and then they

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put like a dollar bill or I think they put like a Kennedy dollar and a Lincoln penny.

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And, and I, I, I do know a lot of those similarities.

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I know, Kennedy was assassinated and Johnson became president.

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Lincoln was assassinated.

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Johnson became president.

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Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln.

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Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy.

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There was a lot of these similarities.

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They were both with their wives at the time.

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They're both shot in the head.

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There was a lot of these similarities.

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I have heard that the reason why we haven't done this bill is because most

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of our podcasts coincide with a video.

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And because of that, we haven't covered the Kennedy assassination.

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We haven't been to Dallas yet.

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However, now that we're closer to Dallas, That is a plan to get out there.

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I do want to cover the Kennedy assassination.

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It'll probably be more than one video.

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That time and place in history is still so controversial.

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We know the papers still haven't all been released yet.

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More information is coming out

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daily.

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saying they're going to declassify stuff and they don't.

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I really feel like there's more to that story that people don't want out yet.

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I had covered something in our newsletter, historynewsletter.

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com, if you're listening that some recently within the past year or two,

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some secret service agent had kind of come out with some, I don't know if it's

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new information or a different take or a different story or something like that.

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So I just thought it was an interesting email from Bill.

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And seeing as how he wrote it and we were about to record this podcast, I

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thought it was kind of perfect timing.

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Well, it's interesting what gets people interested in history.

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And that is one of those things people are very, they like to see those

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coincidences or those things that coincide between, I mean, there's only been four

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presidents who've been assassinated.

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And so two of our best.

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biggest ones, Kennedy and Lincoln, and how much they coincide with each other.

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It gets you interested in history.

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And we're going to talk more about that because the series Manhunt has come out

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and gets people interested in history.

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However, there comes an issue sometimes when you're not

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portraying the correct history.

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So people think that's the accurate history.

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I always stress.

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Read the real book, look up the real research, because even

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Hollywood likes to change things for dramaticization and for time

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constraints and things along that nature.

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But yes, whatever gets you interested in history and one of those

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that Lincoln Kennedy Association is one of those big things.

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And I remember learning about it too as a young kid.

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And it's just funny that I saw that picture as we were thrifting

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Yeah.

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So again thank you bill to writing in.

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If anybody else wants to reach out to us you, there is a link

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to our email in the show notes.

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You can just click on it on your phone and you can shoot us an email.

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, so Jen, we made a video.

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from Portsmouth, which is just outside, just across the

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bridge from the Norfolk area.

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And we went to, was it Oak Grove Cemetery?

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Cedar Grove Cemetery to visit someone who was kind of a part of

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this whole 12 day manhunt for John Wilkes Booth, but the very end.

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So we visited a Garrett.

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So which Garrett did we visit?

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We visited Richard

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bynum Garrett.

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So the one of the boys of Richard Henry

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He's like 11.

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11 years old at the time.

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And if you read Manhunt.

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He's he's in the book because he interacts with John Wilkes

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And there's like kind of a Rick, there's kind of a, almost a transcript of

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his recounting his, his memories of those

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So we will talk more about that later in life.

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He tries to clear his family name and really give an accurate account

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of what he remembers as 11 year old.

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what transpired in those last two days.

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So it's the last two days, April 24th through the 26th.

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So remember, it is a 12 day manhunt for John Wilkes Booth.

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John Wilkes Booth is trying to make it to Richmond, Virginia.

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He believes if he can get to Richmond, Virginia, he will be put into an

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underground network and saved.

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And Honestly, that's probably true.

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Because when you think about how John Surratt got away through Canada, how

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he got into an underground network and got away, I bet if John Wilkes Wolfe

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would have made it to Richmond, he would have gotten into some underground

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network and gotten to Texas, to, to Mexico and, but They just can't seem to.

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John Wilkes Booth is held up because of his injury.

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They're not the best navigators.

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They don't really have, this wasn't planned out with the logistics of care.

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It's mostly like just trying to find sympathizers who

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helped them along the way.

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Well, and I think even we put in the video, I pulled

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a timeline off of a website.

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I think it was like halfway through this 12 days, they ended

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up like crossing a river going in the, in the wrong direction.

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yeah, they go back.

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So they try to cross from Maryland to Virginia and they go back to Maryland and

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then they realize their mistake and then then they make it across to Virginia.

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So Yeah, it's a lot of that like that that is kind of shows you it in my opinion

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that this really wasn't planned out

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Yeah.

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Not to the extent that some people may

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Yes that it really was a kidnapping plot at first That would that is what

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was planned out and then when it Moved to this assassination plot, which was

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pretty fast There was nothing on the back end to really to besides though

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the field glasses and rifles that go to the Sarat Tavern There really isn't

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anything planned out along the way.

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So even dr.

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Mudd is not Expecting them.

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He knows them.

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He's not expecting them.

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Now.

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He he's he willingly You

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It helps them, but it wasn't like it was planned that we're going to go to Dr.

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Mudd's house.

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It just happens that Booth broke his leg and knew a doctor.

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Yeah.

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So Dr.

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Mudd was kind of interacting with him.

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They saw him early, like within the first day or two of the manhunt.

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And then the Garrett's, he, they're kind of getting lost,

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trying to get down to Richmond.

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That's their big goal.

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And they end up at the Garrett

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So they meet a confederate soldier, Willie Jett, and Willie Jett is from the

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area and he's and they confess to him that they are the Lincoln assassinate.

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He's the Lincoln assassin and he's his his.

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Kind of, yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's helping him escape.

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And so, Jet and some other Confederate soldiers, although

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they're wanting to just, end the war and just form back into the Union

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and just find their peace, they do feel some kind of obligation.

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because this person has done something so egregious in the name of the

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South, and they've been fighting for the South, so they feel like they

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owe him protection in some degree.

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So Jett knows the Garrett family, knows the farm, and so he brings them there.

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And John Wilkes Booth and Harold have a disguise that they were also Confederate

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soldiers, and they, they, he uses the last name Boyd instead of Booth.

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J.

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W.

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Boyd,

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Yeah.

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You say, cause he has, it has that tattoo on his hand.

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Yeah.

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now.

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In the miniseries Manhunt, which is not accurate at this point, they're

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wearing confederate soldier uniforms.

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That's not true.

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Booth, Booth and Harold never get confederate soldier uniforms.

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They claim to be confederate soldiers, but not in uniform.

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Jet is in uniform.

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And when Jet introduces him to the Garrett family, he's, he lives close by.

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He says, don't you remember me, Mr.

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Garrett?

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I'm from this family.

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And And I'm heading back home and these are friends of mine

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who need some respite and they're going to be heading further south.

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that was how Booth and Harold, David Harold, who's with

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Booth, that's how they were able to kind of stay at the Garrett farm

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without the Garretts knowing them at

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at all.

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And the Garrett's welcomed them, right?

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Because Mr.

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Garrett, Richard Garrett has two sons who just fought for the confederacy.

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also too, if you think about it, it made, that makes a lot more sense to

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me that they welcome in these strangers, one, because his son's just got back from

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fighting on the Confederate side, but two, if you've got a neighbor saying,

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these are my friends, they need help.

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You can't, when you have someone vouching for someone else that goes a long way.

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And that was very much how business was transacted in that time, because it

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was very much, you couldn't trust people, but you could trust people who knew you.

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And if they were willing to vouch, it made you more at peace

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with, with helping other people.

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So that's exactly why the Garrett's allow Booth and Harold to stay in their house.

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And so Richard Garrett, Richard B.

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Garrett.

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So I'm going to say Richard H.

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Garrett, who's the father, and Richard B.

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Garrett is the grave we visited.

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That's the son.

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son.

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He's 11 years old at the time.

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So he has two older brothers, John and William, who have

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fought for the Confederacy.

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They just got back from Appomattox.

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They, when Booth comes to the house with Jett and Harold,

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it's about three o'clock on it.

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April 24th and introduced to Richard H.

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Garrett.

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He says, yes, they can come stay with me.

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We can have come have dinner.

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They come and relax.

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And then the two boys, John and William returned that evening from

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visiting a friend nearby, right?

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So they just got back from the

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war.

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going to, they're going to,

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going to see people.

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Yeah, they haven't seen it.

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And they're wearing very confederate uniforms because they just got back

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from the surrender of Appomattox.

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And so they all sit around the dinner table that night.

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And this is a big family.

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Now, again, this is not shown in Manhunt at all, but there's four sisters, there's

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a governess, there's little children, Richard's 11 which would be Garrett,

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but he also has Three little sisters,

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So there's, it's a, it's a whole like probably 10 to 12 people.

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to 12 people.

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And so it's a, it's a boisterous conversation.

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They're talking about the war.

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They're talking about their experiences.

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They're asking Booth about his experiences with the war, thinking

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he's Boyd who has fought in the war.

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So Booth is making up stories, but he is an actor.

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So he's very good at taking the stage

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10 telling a

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Telling a story.

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And so it was a really great evening.

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That's how Richard remembers it, that everyone just had a really great night.

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And Booth stays in the house, they help him into bed, right?

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He gets a good night's sleep.

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And Richard B.

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Garrett, she has a room with him.

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So he just remembers feeling safe with this guy.

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He's been welcomed into the family.

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He remembers seeing the gun belt on the bed.

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is junior.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And he, the next morning, so April 25th, he helps him

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dress in the morning and they go outside and they have breakfast.

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It's as Booth is playing outside with the other children.

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Remember, there's little children, little girls.

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I mean, he really loved playing with these kids out in the yard.

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And you even, I think you had mentioned it.

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In the video like he had a compass he had a magnetic compass.

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So he was like showing the kids how kind of how it worked and kind of showing them

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Oh, hey, you know if you bring something metal close by it'll move and that was

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kind of a something that was called out

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And what's so significant is that compass is in the museum at Ford's

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Theater, because that's the compass Booth uses to go the wrong way on

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the river and, and basically escape.

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This is the scene, right?

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So you can understand how later in life when Richard is trying to talk about

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their his experience with this family, how the Garrett's feel bamboozled, right?

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So it's later.

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I think that evening, they have some conversation around, The

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assassination of the president, because at that time, it's been 10 days,

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And so the words getting

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the words getting out.

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And so John and William are talking about it at around the dinner table.

Jenn: 00:18:49

And they're like, they're offering 100, 000.

Jenn: 00:18:53

Oh, my gosh, I would turn them in myself if I knew and Booth

Jenn: 00:18:56

kind of has fun with that.

Jenn: 00:18:57

Oh, you would you would turn them in, huh?

Jenn: 00:18:59

And so it's kind of a running joke, right?

Jenn: 00:19:03

So no one still doesn't suspect anything.

Jenn: 00:19:06

That next day, while they're playing out in the yard with

Jenn: 00:19:08

Booth, John and William are there.

Jenn: 00:19:11

And this is the end of the war.

Jenn: 00:19:14

So there are people kind of walking by the front of the house in the front gate.

Jenn: 00:19:19

There are people riding on horses.

Jenn: 00:19:22

There's just people going back to their lives.

Jenn: 00:19:25

And somebody comes through the front gate and starts walking down

Jenn: 00:19:28

the path to the main house and they notice Booth get nervous.

Jenn: 00:19:34

And he asks Richard B.

Jenn: 00:19:36

Garrett, the junior, the 11 year old, to run up and grab

Jenn: 00:19:39

his gun belt off the bed stand.

Jenn: 00:19:42

And he does.

Jenn: 00:19:43

And he brings that gun belt down and gives it to Booth.

Jenn: 00:19:45

Booth swings it around his hips and buckles it up.

Jenn: 00:19:48

And that is when they go,

Jenn: 00:19:52

What is going on?

Jenn: 00:19:53

Why does he want his gun belt?

Jenn: 00:19:55

What is he afraid of?

Jenn: 00:19:57

What does he think is going to happen?

Jenn: 00:19:59

Like, when you really think about this, if he really has been through war,

Jenn: 00:20:04

Like John and William have claimed to, have also been through war.

Jenn: 00:20:08

They're not feeling afraid right now for their lives because the war is over.

Jenn: 00:20:13

We are all trying to get back to our lives right now.

Jenn: 00:20:16

And we've all kind of put up the truce flag.

Jenn: 00:20:20

So for him to be grabbing his gun belt leads them to believe he's

Jenn: 00:20:24

wanted or afraid for another reason.

Jenn: 00:20:28

And that is when John Garrett, the older son starts to insist to his father, they

Jenn: 00:20:37

shouldn't sleep in the house tonight.

Jenn: 00:20:38

Something's up with these two.

Jenn: 00:20:40

So it's the older son who brings that to his dad's attention.

Scott: 00:20:51

that's how booth ends up staying in the house the first night and then

Scott: 00:20:56

Like you or like we find out, you know here in just a bit he ends up

Scott: 00:21:00

sleeping in the barn the next night

Jenn: 00:21:02

So the big claim is Booth wants to get up early with Harold.

Jenn: 00:21:05

They want to get on their way and John insists they sleep into the

Jenn: 00:21:13

tobacco barn because if they're going to get up early, they don't want

Jenn: 00:21:16

him rousing the people in the house.

Jenn: 00:21:18

And then John also has he's nervous because there's children and women in the

Jenn: 00:21:23

house and Booth seems a little unhinged.

Jenn: 00:21:27

And so he thinks it's better for them to get in the barn as well.

Jenn: 00:21:29

But he also thinks they might steal my horses.

Jenn: 00:21:33

And so he locks them in the tobacco barn unbeknownst to them.

Scott: 00:21:38

okay.

Jenn: 00:21:39

So in the miniseries, I try to, and I'll tell you what all is

Jenn: 00:21:42

wrong with the miniseries at that point, but they are knowingly locked

Jenn: 00:21:45

in the barn in the miniseries.

Jenn: 00:21:46

That's not true.

Jenn: 00:21:47

And they didn't know.

Jenn: 00:21:49

So it's late that night into that.

Jenn: 00:21:51

It's late that night on the 25th that the Calvary will catch up to the Garrett farm.

Jenn: 00:21:57

They go straight to the main house.

Jenn: 00:21:59

They take Richard H.

Jenn: 00:22:00

Garrett, the father, out.

Jenn: 00:22:01

They put a rope around

Scott: 00:22:02

Did, did they I mean, did they find like the neighbor?

Scott: 00:22:06

So they found jet.

Scott: 00:22:08

They questioned him.

Scott: 00:22:09

He said, Oh, he's at the Garrett farm.

Scott: 00:22:12

And that, so that's how they, they got over there.

Jenn: 00:22:14

Yeah, they found

Scott: 00:22:15

So they had just been like canvassing the countryside and

Scott: 00:22:18

they were basically honing in, they found jet and then that's how

Scott: 00:22:21

they had, they zeroed in on the

Jenn: 00:22:23

Jet was the key to

Scott: 00:22:24

Okay.

Scott: 00:22:24

Oh,

Jenn: 00:22:26

I left him at the Garrett farm.

Jenn: 00:22:27

And so the Calvary I think is probably feeling they're not there

Jenn: 00:22:31

It's been two days, but they feel like this will be our next step.

Jenn: 00:22:35

So when they get to the Garrett house, they pull mr Garrett out and mr.

Jenn: 00:22:38

Garrett answers the door in his nightgown, they pull him out and they put a rope

Jenn: 00:22:43

around his neck and they throw the rope up a tree, threatening to kill him

Jenn: 00:22:48

if he doesn't tell him what happened.

Jenn: 00:22:50

And that's when John Garrett stops everything and says, no,

Jenn: 00:22:54

I put them in the tobacco barn.

Jenn: 00:22:56

And they said, well, he said, I put him in the barn and they look around.

Jenn: 00:22:59

There's four barns.

Jenn: 00:22:59

You better tell us what barn.

Jenn: 00:23:00

And he goes, it's the tobacco barn.

Jenn: 00:23:02

And that's when they go over to the tobacco barn.

Jenn: 00:23:05

So it really is like it happens fast and they're still not sure who this guy is.

Jenn: 00:23:11

Like they're not saying we're looking for the Lincoln assassin

Jenn: 00:23:14

. Scott: Yeah.

Jenn: 00:23:14

We're looking for John Wilkes Booth.

Jenn: 00:23:16

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:23:16

and so that's when, in the scene around the barn is, he kicks

Jenn: 00:23:21

Harold out because Harold gets scared.

Jenn: 00:23:24

Harold doesn't have a weapon.

Jenn: 00:23:25

Harold doesn't want to fight.

Jenn: 00:23:26

He kicks him out.

Jenn: 00:23:26

John Wilkes Booth tries to negotiate for a fight against their best man, right?

Jenn: 00:23:32

And then they just kind of smoke him out.

Jenn: 00:23:33

Well, I don't know.

Jenn: 00:23:34

Boston Corbett claims he is looking through a crack

Jenn: 00:23:37

in the wood, in the boards.

Jenn: 00:23:39

He claims he saw John Wilkes Booth raise his pistol to fire it and he fires.

Jenn: 00:23:45

Now Harold will say he shot, he shot, John Wilkes Booth

Jenn: 00:23:50

who will never move again.

Jenn: 00:23:50

He shot through the neck.

Jenn: 00:23:52

He's not shot in the back of the head like they try to depict in the miniseries.

Jenn: 00:23:55

Same as Lincoln.

Jenn: 00:23:56

He shot through the neck.

Jenn: 00:23:58

It's a completely different gunshot wound than Lincoln.

Jenn: 00:24:01

Lincoln shot.

Jenn: 00:24:02

in the head through the brain.

Jenn: 00:24:04

Lincoln's not paralyzed.

Jenn: 00:24:05

Lincoln is just unconscious, never regains consciousness.

Jenn: 00:24:09

Booth is shot through the neck.

Jenn: 00:24:10

He's conscious the whole time.

Jenn: 00:24:12

He, he lives for hours.

Jenn: 00:24:13

About six hours later, he'll die.

Jenn: 00:24:17

Harold is taken out, tied to a tree.

Jenn: 00:24:19

He keeps whimpering.

Jenn: 00:24:21

He keeps making up stories.

Jenn: 00:24:22

He's I wasn't a part of this.

Jenn: 00:24:24

I didn't.

Jenn: 00:24:24

He really is like a simple minded man.

Jenn: 00:24:27

And he really is trying to make up.

Jenn: 00:24:29

I was bamboozled into this.

Jenn: 00:24:31

And I don't know who this

Scott: 00:24:32

He's trying to get out of

Jenn: 00:24:32

trying to get out of it, making any story he can, and they're just

Jenn: 00:24:35

kind of letting him over there.

Jenn: 00:24:37

run his mouth.

Jenn: 00:24:38

And they bring Booth onto the porch.

Jenn: 00:24:41

Booth is attended by think of those young women in the house.

Jenn: 00:24:44

There's four Garrett sisters who are in their 20s and late teens.

Jenn: 00:24:51

There's one governess.

Scott: 00:24:52

Well, and, and the book too, in the excerpts that I was looking at

Scott: 00:24:56

there are a couple paragraphs before, what I, what I read in the book talks

Scott: 00:25:00

about how pretty well known John Wilkes Booth was and how handsome he was.

Scott: 00:25:06

And, and he was a bit of a ladies

Jenn: 00:25:08

He was.

Jenn: 00:25:09

And so that's why when these women kind of gather around him, they wipe his brow.

Jenn: 00:25:14

And they like put a handkerchief of water in his mouth so he can have some moisture.

Jenn: 00:25:19

And it's Lucinda Holloway, who's the governess of those small children.

Jenn: 00:25:22

in the house who it's very romanticized how she like holds his

Jenn: 00:25:27

hands and holds him near to her.

Jenn: 00:25:29

She cuts a lock of hair

Scott: 00:25:31

This is after he's been shot.

Jenn: 00:25:33

after he's been shot.

Jenn: 00:25:33

He's laying on the porch.

Jenn: 00:25:35

They

Scott: 00:25:35

This got shot through the neck, He

Jenn: 00:25:36

He can't do anything.

Jenn: 00:25:37

Can't move.

Jenn: 00:25:38

And they bring a doctor and the doctor is yeah, he's going to die.

Jenn: 00:25:43

And so they just make it like it's a very moving scene.

Jenn: 00:25:47

moment for these women, right?

Jenn: 00:25:49

Still not knowing who he is,

Scott: 00:25:51

Oh,

Jenn: 00:25:52

just that he's this handsome

Scott: 00:25:54

person that the Calvary tracked down.

Jenn: 00:25:56

And you have to remember John Wilkes Booth has shaved

Jenn: 00:25:58

his mustache at this point.

Jenn: 00:26:00

He shaves his mustache at Dr.

Jenn: 00:26:01

Mudd's house.

Jenn: 00:26:02

So even when people look at pictures, they, the picture they're looking at the

Jenn: 00:26:06

showing of Booth, that famous picture, people will look at it and go, yeah,

Jenn: 00:26:09

that's him, but without the mustache.

Jenn: 00:26:12

So they have to kind of like, squint a little to go.

Jenn: 00:26:15

Yeah, that's him.

Jenn: 00:26:16

But he's shaped his mustache.

Jenn: 00:26:17

It's such a distinctive,

Jenn: 00:26:19

Feature.

Jenn: 00:26:19

on his face that he's taken off that he does still look like

Jenn: 00:26:22

him, but it's not quite the same.

Jenn: 00:26:24

It'd be like, Tom Selleck shaving his mustache.

Jenn: 00:26:27

It'd be like, okay, that's him, but it's not, not quite how I know him.

Jenn: 00:26:31

You would know, yeah, that's Tom Selleck, but it's not quite how I picture him.

Scott: 00:26:35

Tom Selleck put that mustache

Jenn: 00:26:37

Exactly.

Jenn: 00:26:37

So that's how Booth was.

Jenn: 00:26:39

He's very known for the mustache.

Jenn: 00:26:47

So he passed away there on the Garrett farm, and it's not until after his

Jenn: 00:26:51

death that they fully understand the Garrett family, who this man is,

Jenn: 00:26:59

because it's then that they start to get questioned by the people in charge there.

Jenn: 00:27:05

And they start to go, we had no idea.

Jenn: 00:27:09

We suspected something, but we weren't.

Jenn: 00:27:11

Sure, this is, oh my gosh, we've been giving refuge to Lincoln's

Jenn: 00:27:16

assassin . We had, they had no idea.

Jenn: 00:27:18

So they don't even know till after he's dead.

Jenn: 00:27:22

And so then Booth's body is taken back to D.

Jenn: 00:27:24

C.

Jenn: 00:27:24

and we, we have more videos on what happens after that.

Jenn: 00:27:27

So Richard Garrett, 11 years old, remembers all of this.

Jenn: 00:27:30

And he in the 1880s will write a paper trying to, I wouldn't say clear his family

Jenn: 00:27:39

name, but it's more explain his family name because he feels like for the rest

Jenn: 00:27:45

of his life, his family will never know.

Jenn: 00:27:48

recover from this.

Jenn: 00:27:49

So he writes a paper really explaining how much they didn't know and how they

Jenn: 00:27:54

were just trying to be good Christian people helping out somebody and then they

Jenn: 00:28:00

were completely blindsided by all this and they never would have given refuge

Jenn: 00:28:05

to the president's killer and and so he really explains his memory of it all

Jenn: 00:28:10

because it's very much from an 11 year old child so it's very much from a innocent

Scott: 00:28:14

Yeah, this is how I felt.

Scott: 00:28:16

This was, you think about it and I'll try it.

Scott: 00:28:18

Think about an 11 year old trying to describe something to you, right?

Scott: 00:28:22

They're going to tell you kind of how it felt and how much fun it was.

Scott: 00:28:24

They're not going to remember details or cues that adults

Scott: 00:28:29

would pick up on necessarily.

Jenn: 00:28:31

Exactly.

Jenn: 00:28:32

So that's the grave we visit.

Jenn: 00:28:35

So when I found out that Richard B.

Jenn: 00:28:38

Garrett was buried at Cedar Grove Cemetery in Portsmouth,

Jenn: 00:28:41

Virginia, I'm like, we have to go

Scott: 00:28:43

And that's only like 15 minutes from where we lived.

Jenn: 00:28:46

And it's, it's an amazing little cemetery.

Jenn: 00:28:49

So it was established in 1832, very old.

Jenn: 00:28:52

And it's, it's historic.

Jenn: 00:28:55

We didn't know this, but this is where Pickett, from

Jenn: 00:28:57

Pickett's Charge, was founded.

Jenn: 00:29:00

First buried

Scott: 00:29:01

right.

Scott: 00:29:01

Before they moved

Jenn: 00:29:02

before they moved him to Hollywood Cemetery

Jenn: 00:29:05

in Richmond.

Jenn: 00:29:06

And then there's also like the, the creator, I don't know if that's the

Jenn: 00:29:12

right word of the designer of the CSS Virginia, the first ironclad

Jenn: 00:29:16

of the South is also buried there.

Jenn: 00:29:18

And they have a whole little CSS Virginia dedication area where

Jenn: 00:29:22

they have a bunch of Confederates who served on the CSS Virginia

Scott: 00:29:26

and then we actually came across and chatted for a while with

Scott: 00:29:30

some gentlemen who would help restore the cemetery because I guess in the

Scott: 00:29:35

late 90s and you mentioned this in the video it had been in shambles and then

Scott: 00:29:39

the the Sons of the Confederacy came in and basically you know overhauled

Scott: 00:29:44

and just prettied everything up

Jenn: 00:29:46

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:29:46

I mean, you can imagine cemeteries get into a lot of disrepair and neglect, but

Jenn: 00:29:50

in the 1960s it was like more than that.

Jenn: 00:29:52

It was vandalized.

Jenn: 00:29:54

And so they came in and just cleaned everything up.

Jenn: 00:29:57

And there was some, he was even saying there was some mausoleums

Jenn: 00:29:59

that were kind of broken into and you could see inside of them and stuff.

Jenn: 00:30:03

And they cleaned all that up and they fixed

Scott: 00:30:05

and it's very it's it's a lovely cemetery

Jenn: 00:30:08

It is.

Jenn: 00:30:08

And there's a lot of history there.

Jenn: 00:30:10

And Garrett was one of them.

Jenn: 00:30:12

And so to find Richard Garrett, that 11 year old boy, and to kind of talk

Jenn: 00:30:17

about his memories of those last two days, the 24th, of April, 1865.

Jenn: 00:30:25

And the hunt for John Wilkes Booth.

Jenn: 00:30:26

It was just amazing to be able to do that.

Jenn: 00:30:30

And I really was excited because I had read the book Manhunt.

Jenn: 00:30:35

The series was coming out.

Jenn: 00:30:37

I thought this is such a great piece of history to have found and to talk about.

Jenn: 00:30:42

And then when I watched Manhunt, I'm like, Oh, I'm so excited to see Richard Garrett.

Jenn: 00:30:47

And he's not even shown.

Scott: 00:30:53

you said they were the miniseries didn't portray the whole Garrett

Scott: 00:30:57

farm Garrett family accurately at

Jenn: 00:31:00

didn't do any.

Jenn: 00:31:00

So it's so off.

Jenn: 00:31:03

And if you're a historian, you're going to be pretty upset.

Jenn: 00:31:05

There's a lot of things in the, the Manhunt miniseries that is, is way off.

Jenn: 00:31:10

There's lots of things that are great.

Jenn: 00:31:12

I think the man who plays John Wilkes Booth looks fantastic.

Jenn: 00:31:16

But there's so many things that are way off.

Jenn: 00:31:18

Let's start from the basics.

Jenn: 00:31:19

Stanton, the Secretary of War, never leaves DC, yet he seems

Jenn: 00:31:24

to be at the Garrett farm in the

Jenn: 00:31:26

miniseries.

Jenn: 00:31:27

He's, he's questioning that we're like, no, this is Garrett.

Jenn: 00:31:30

Stanton stays in DC.

Jenn: 00:31:31

He runs Things by telegraph and they show that some in the series,

Jenn: 00:31:35

but he's also a heavyset man.

Jenn: 00:31:37

He also has a huge beard, nothing like the actor who portrayed him.

Jenn: 00:31:40

So that was kind of weird.

Jenn: 00:31:43

At the Garrett farm, all they meet is Julia Garrett.

Jenn: 00:31:47

She's supposed to play one of the daughters of the Garretts.

Jenn: 00:31:51

Now, the hard part for me to kind of understand is you have

Jenn: 00:31:54

many daughters to choose from.

Jenn: 00:31:57

You got Catherine, you got Ann, you got Cecilia , you got They're

Jenn: 00:32:00

all in their 20s and Cecilia's 15.

Jenn: 00:32:03

You got Lucinda Holloway.

Jenn: 00:32:04

That's the governess.

Jenn: 00:32:06

She's 34.

Jenn: 00:32:07

You got the three little girls, Lillian, Harrietta, and Cora.

Jenn: 00:32:10

There's no Julia.

Jenn: 00:32:12

There was a Julia Garrett.

Jenn: 00:32:14

She was born in 1848.

Jenn: 00:32:16

She dies in 1851.

Scott: 00:32:18

That's so interesting that when, Writers who were writing these shows,

Scott: 00:32:23

I mean, some of them do phenomenal jobs and they're very accurate,

Scott: 00:32:26

very close to real world facts.

Scott: 00:32:28

And then this one, it's such a famous event.

Scott: 00:32:32

I mean, it's, it's such a big part of American history.

Scott: 00:32:36

I think you and I were talking about it the other night.

Scott: 00:32:38

There's, there's really no need for them to alter the facts.

Scott: 00:32:41

You can, you can leave certain things out, right?

Scott: 00:32:44

But, The, the facts themselves are so out of this world I can't

Scott: 00:32:49

believe that actually happened.

Scott: 00:32:51

We've said it before, kind of reality is stranger than fiction here.

Jenn: 00:32:54

I know, I don't understand.

Jenn: 00:32:55

And

Jenn: 00:32:56

I know James Swanson was there at some point, and I know

Jenn: 00:33:00

he was given some advice.

Jenn: 00:33:01

If it was me in my book, I'd be like, No, pick another name.

Jenn: 00:33:06

Make it Lucinda the holloway.

Jenn: 00:33:07

She has a, she has a very she cuts the hair from both sides.

Jenn: 00:33:11

booth, make it her.

Jenn: 00:33:12

If you're going to make some girl there who's I, it could destroy my honor if

Jenn: 00:33:16

you stay in my room, make it her, right?

Jenn: 00:33:18

Why would you make it a Julia Garrett who died at two years old in 1851?

Jenn: 00:33:22

Like, why would you, that's not even an accurate person.

Jenn: 00:33:26

So what they did is they took out all the men.

Jenn: 00:33:29

There's no Richard H.

Jenn: 00:33:30

Garrett.

Jenn: 00:33:31

There's no John or William Garrett.

Jenn: 00:33:33

There's no Richard B.

Jenn: 00:33:34

Garrett.

Jenn: 00:33:36

There's no men interacting.

Jenn: 00:33:37

It's like she, is the only one at the house.

Jenn: 00:33:39

They're all gone.

Jenn: 00:33:41

She interacts with Booth and Harold.

Jenn: 00:33:43

Then she insists they sleep in the tobacco farm because of her honor if her father

Jenn: 00:33:47

is going to find him in her bedroom.

Scott: 00:33:49

the crazy part is, is right, a, a, a series a story is always about

Scott: 00:33:53

tension and, and this that and the other.

Scott: 00:33:55

And in the real world facts are in my mind, would create so much

Scott: 00:34:01

more tension in a, in a scene, especially for a series like this.

Scott: 00:34:04

Think about, it's all about ups and downs in a story.

Scott: 00:34:08

And think about this.

Scott: 00:34:09

Unexpected up in the hunt for John Wilkes Booth, right here the first 24 hours He's

Scott: 00:34:16

like having a grand old time and they're telling stories and it's this big family

Scott: 00:34:20

as this event and And you as a watcher as a reader would just feel conflicted

Scott: 00:34:26

because you're like, oh, here's this It's a nice thing that's happening, right?

Scott: 00:34:32

The viewer knows the reality of who this person is.

Scott: 00:34:35

So there's that tension there, but they didn't, they didn't

Scott: 00:34:38

use that in the miniseries.

Scott: 00:34:39

It's crazy to

Jenn: 00:34:40

It's crazy.

Jenn: 00:34:40

That dinner scene would have been amazing.

Jenn: 00:34:44

to show 12 people and after the war and what it was like to kind of be

Jenn: 00:34:49

on the losing side, but trying to rebuild family and everyone kind of.

Jenn: 00:34:55

But then starting those little pieces that are picking away at his story, right?

Jenn: 00:35:00

So much so that the next day they go, you should sleep in the barn.

Jenn: 00:35:03

So the first night we, we welcome you with open arms, you're given a bed, you're,

Jenn: 00:35:08

you're sitting around dinner, we're having a great time, and so much so that your

Jenn: 00:35:12

story gets picked away the next day.

Jenn: 00:35:13

day that you're in the barn.

Jenn: 00:35:15

That's perfect movie, drama, cinema.

Jenn: 00:35:19

I don't know why they did it that way.

Jenn: 00:35:20

It really, it bothered me so much because I, we had just found Richard B.

Jenn: 00:35:24

Garrett.

Jenn: 00:35:25

We had just told his story.

Jenn: 00:35:26

He's so much a part of this end of a manhunt.

Jenn: 00:35:29

And then he's not even shown in the miniseries.

Jenn: 00:35:32

I was like, Oh my gosh, they really missed the mark

Jenn: 00:35:40

And that really is what happens after the booth is caught and taken back to DC.

Jenn: 00:35:46

I mean, Richard H.

Jenn: 00:35:47

Garrett, the father will testify at the Lincoln conspiracy trial about

Jenn: 00:35:51

everything that he remembers and how he was, he felt completely bamboozled.

Jenn: 00:35:56

Now he's not Charged with anything.

Jenn: 00:35:58

He's not sentenced to anything.

Jenn: 00:35:59

So I think his story is very credible, credible and believable.

Jenn: 00:36:03

What happens is the The court of public opinion where he lives in Locust Hill It's

Jenn: 00:36:11

never welcomed back into the community.

Scott: 00:36:14

name and his family's name is kind of ruined.

Jenn: 00:36:16

It's ruined.

Jenn: 00:36:16

Their family is ruined They can't really do business anymore.

Jenn: 00:36:20

The house and the property will go into a disrepair

Scott: 00:36:24

And you said that Richard B.

Scott: 00:36:26

Garrett Jr, the son, he actually becomes a pastor, like a

Jenn: 00:36:30

Yeah, he becomes a reverend.

Jenn: 00:36:31

He actually has a parish and they will, they put something on

Jenn: 00:36:37

his tombstone from 1899 to 1920.

Jenn: 00:36:41

He becomes a reverend.

Jenn: 00:36:42

So, in the Richmond area.

Jenn: 00:36:46

He actually dies in Richmond, Virginia.

Jenn: 00:36:48

So it's funny.

Jenn: 00:36:49

He dies in Richmond, spread to Norfolk.

Jenn: 00:36:51

Pickett dies in Norfolk, spread to Richmond.

Jenn: 00:36:53

And you talk about this a lot.

Jenn: 00:36:54

Like back in that day, they really like to move

Scott: 00:36:58

Yeah, I think I, I commented on that when you told me about

Scott: 00:37:01

them, them moving Pickett.

Scott: 00:37:03

I was like, man, they would move the dead around all the time back in the day.

Scott: 00:37:06

They'd bury them over here and be like, nah, 10 years later, I'm

Scott: 00:37:08

gonna move them up to this plot.

Jenn: 00:37:10

I know.

Jenn: 00:37:10

It's weird.

Jenn: 00:37:11

I don't know.

Jenn: 00:37:12

Maybe they like to look at dead bodies.

Jenn: 00:37:13

I don't know.

Jenn: 00:37:13

It's very weird.

Jenn: 00:37:14

They, to do that, but that's, he's buried alone.

Jenn: 00:37:19

So there's no other real Garrett's around him.

Jenn: 00:37:21

I there's no, Garrett's around him, all the rest of the Garretts are

Jenn: 00:37:27

all in another part of Virginia.

Jenn: 00:37:29

Now what's interesting, and I point this out in one of the videos, is

Jenn: 00:37:32

he's buried beside a Corbett family.

Jenn: 00:37:36

And remember, it's Boston Corbett who kills John Wilkes Booth.

Jenn: 00:37:40

So the Garrett grave, Richard B.

Jenn: 00:37:43

Garrett, is right beside.

Scott: 00:37:45

This whole Corbett

Jenn: 00:37:46

This whole Corbett plot.

Jenn: 00:37:47

So it's like these two names that are synonymous with the end of John Wilkes

Jenn: 00:37:50

Booth are actually buried together.

Scott: 00:37:53

But you, you said that from what you could tell your, your brief

Scott: 00:37:56

research, that that wasn't those Corbett's weren't related to Boston

Jenn: 00:38:00

Yeah, and I don't believe they are.

Jenn: 00:38:02

And the thing about Boston Corbett is we have never done a video on him.

Jenn: 00:38:06

And it would be interesting.

Jenn: 00:38:07

He's very interesting person, interesting life, so much so that

Jenn: 00:38:11

people don't even know what happened to him at the end of his life.

Jenn: 00:38:13

He kind of got lost to history.

Jenn: 00:38:16

the people don't really know where his grave is today, and we don't even know

Jenn: 00:38:19

if Boston Corbett was really his name.

Scott: 00:38:21

Oh, interesting.

Jenn: 00:38:22

it's one of those things that is, if someone wanted to dive into that

Jenn: 00:38:27

research and really pull that out, like he is one of those people in history that

Jenn: 00:38:32

did something very significant, but never never fully researched to know the truth.

Jenn: 00:38:38

It's his Pistol too.

Jenn: 00:38:40

I think it's, Swanson had said one of those artifacts lost to history.

Jenn: 00:38:45

No one knows what really happened to the Boston Corbett pistol

Jenn: 00:38:49

that killed John Wilkes booth.

Scott: 00:38:54

I would still recommend the miniseries.

Scott: 00:38:56

It's well done Even if not historically accurate but the book itself the manhunt

Scott: 00:39:02

book It was supposed to be very, very good

Jenn: 00:39:05

The book is fantastic.

Jenn: 00:39:06

And if you find it on audio, I listened to it, it was available

Jenn: 00:39:10

through my library for free.

Jenn: 00:39:12

I actually bought the book at the Surratt Tavern, so that is

Jenn: 00:39:16

still there for you to go look.

Jenn: 00:39:18

Remember, John Wilkes Booth never goes inside because he's on his horse with

Jenn: 00:39:21

the Broken Lake, but Harold does to get the rifle and the field glasses.

Jenn: 00:39:25

But it's a great book.

Jenn: 00:39:26

The Sarat Tavern is still there, part of the story.

Jenn: 00:39:29

If you want to follow that path of John Wilkes Booth's escape,

Jenn: 00:39:33

that's all still there for you.

Jenn: 00:39:34

We have some

Scott: 00:39:35

So actually someone commented that they're doing like a John

Scott: 00:39:37

Wilkes Booth like escape tour.

Scott: 00:39:40

on on the video.

Scott: 00:39:41

They actually commented that they were going to be doing that.

Scott: 00:39:43

So it was pretty cool.

Scott: 00:39:49

All right.

Scott: 00:39:49

History buffs.

Scott: 00:39:50

That's it for this episode.

Scott: 00:39:52

We followed the frantic escape of John Wilkes Booth and David Harold, all the way

Scott: 00:39:57

to the Garrett farm, a desperate fugitive hold up in a barn, a nation in mourning

Scott: 00:40:02

and a fiery end to an infamous manhunt.

Scott: 00:40:05

It's a chilling Tableau.

Scott: 00:40:08

For those who want to dig deeper, check out the show

Scott: 00:40:09

notes for some great resources.

Scott: 00:40:11

James Swanson's book, manhunt is a fantastic read.

Scott: 00:40:14

As we mentioned before, as always, if you have any thoughts or questions

Scott: 00:40:18

about the episodes, reach out to us at the email on our show notes, just

Scott: 00:40:21

click the link and shoot us a note.

Scott: 00:40:22

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Scott: 00:40:25

And as always, we rely on you, our community to grow, and we

Scott: 00:40:28

appreciate you all every day.

Scott: 00:40:30

We'll talk to you next

Jenn: 00:40:31

we appreciate you

Jenn: 00:40:40

That's how we'll talk about all those things.

Scott: 00:40:42

are gonna have to put some stuff on the walls in this room.

Jenn: 00:40:45

Oh, yeah.

Jenn: 00:40:46

I think I might bring the, it's a wonderful life picture up.

Scott: 00:40:49

Well, no, I'm talking about for sound.

Scott: 00:40:51

I can hear

Jenn: 00:40:52

Oh, what do you mean like that?

Jenn: 00:40:54

What goes on the

Scott: 00:40:55

It's probably more like corners.

Scott: 00:40:57

You can do, you don't have to buy things for that.

Scott: 00:41:00

You can, you can do there's tons of like homemade solutions that

Scott: 00:41:03

will reduce the echo in a room.

Jenn: 00:41:05

So this will look really hodgepodge.

Scott: 00:41:07

no, no, we can, we can make it look, look good.

Scott: 00:41:11

I mean, you can buy stuff.

Scott: 00:41:12

I don't know.

Scott: 00:41:12

I haven't really dug into

Jenn: 00:41:14

I know.

Scott: 00:41:14

but I can hear the echo in here, especially when you, we start

Scott: 00:41:19

both start projecting that's fine.

Scott: 00:41:21

We'll figure it out.

Scott: 00:41:22

So, okay.

Scott: 00:41:25

Ready?